20 years ago, Ancient History?

[digitS']

There was a news story on recently and my first impression was that the young woman didn't seem to be representing the latest styles. Then, I see the date.

I read something about the use of the term "recently" by different age groups.

Convenience/Inconvenience. Should I retire my can opener? Go the way of the bottle opener ... I still remember how my mother required several years of having the box tops that folded nicely back together after opening before she stopped . ripping the top of the box off with her bare hands! (I'm also surprised remembering that, after a long life, Mom has been gone for 15 years.)

Had an online befuddled look at the humor section of a newspaper, circa 1870.

This recent conversation about gas prices: Has everyone forgotten 2007-8? (I, literally, still have the receipts.) It is even evolving into a cross-border dispute around here?

What does historical perspective count for, these here days?

Steve

 

[ducks4you]

We we fortunate for many decades where historical accuracy was important to film makers and documentarians. Today they really don't give a shxx. DH just watched a BBC remake of "Around the World in 80 Days." It went beyond PC to throwing "we are going to fight/win against racial and gender prejudice," by slapping you in your face, you rascally racist!
David Tennett rewrote the piece, first to give him an opportunity to be very "emo", which he seems to like, and to rewrite the Story. Many recent movies don't even research costumes.
The 1995 "Pride and Prejudice" did massive research on costumes and customs, and the costumes are still being rented out.
As Civil War Reenactors were were also, from the 1970's-2012, or so, living historians, and what people Wore and how they behaved was very important to us.
Sorry, woman got power from their family and their marriages in the past.
I won't comment on historical racial inequity, but it happened. To ignore this doesn't help us in our behavior.
Even when my 3 DD's went to school, they KNEW their history. DH is an historian, and I study it, too. Just bought him a recent book on Churchill, which I will steal to read when he's done.

 

[flowerbug]

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This recent conversation about gas prices: Has everyone forgotten 2007-8? (I, literally, still have the receipts.)...

i remember the 70's and the Arab Oil embargo. before that time i was too young to really know much about prices or what they meant. when i hit the age of 12 i discovered the stock market and investing and spent a lot of time reading and learning how to manage my money. it still amazes me that a lot of people don't even have a budget or some idea of what their monthly expenses are or no retirement savings or ...

 

[Zeedman]

Convenience/Inconvenience. Should I retire my can opener?

Believe it or not, the old WWII military can openers are still in production - and I still have one somewhere from my seagoing days.

i remember the 70's and the Arab Oil embargo. before that time i was too young to really know much about prices or what they meant. when i hit the age of 12 i discovered the stock market and investing and spent a lot of time reading and learning how to manage my money. it still amazes me that a lot of people don't even have a budget or some idea of what their monthly expenses are or no retirement savings or ...

Yes, I remember those gas lines. I also remember when in my city, no gas station wanted to be the first to break the $1.00 a gallon price barrier... and we thought the sky was falling. Bread was $.10 - $.15 a loaf back then.

I have a large pile of old newspapers from the 90's that I saved for fire starting, and I almost feel guilty burning them. I like to re-read some of those articles (and the funnies) to view opinions from those days in the context of current events. Time has the last word in settling debate - for good or ill. It is interesting (and occasionally unsettling) to read how some of the dire predictions of the not-too-distant past actually panned out.

On a more serious note... We are losing some of our living history, as the last who fought in WWII (and those who emigrated to escape from both Hitler and Communism) pass away. With their passing, we are losing their first-person testimony of what it was like to experience tyranny (my great-Grandparents on both sides escaped from Nazi Germany). DW & I speak often with our Grandchildren, three of whom are now in college; history is not receiving the same emphasis as it did when my generation went to school. History not only teaches us of past mistakes & triumphs, it gives us perspective on our progress as a society. All of our national heroes were people of their time, often flawed... which if anything, only serves to further accentuate their greatest achievements. The current toppling of their statues because of a cause du jour ignores those accomplishments, and is a crime against our national heritage. IMO history should be immutable, not something to be casually re-written because we feel uncomfortable with it. It is expressly that discomfort with actions of the past, which guides & propels us to a (hopefully) better future. We forget, alter, or erase the past at our peril.

 

[flowerbug]

... IMO history should be immutable, not something to be casually re-written because we feel uncomfortable with it. It is expressly that discomfort with actions of the past, which guides & propels us to a (hopefully) better future. We forget, alter, or erase the past at our peril.

this is one reason why i do not like the current trend of things going completely digital (including currencies). it's just too easy to change the bits and only certain people would know how to look into something further to verify the document hasn't been changed - i don't want to only have certain people with that kind of knowledge.

my beef with the digital currencies is that they are environmentally destructive aside from the fact that they're too easily stolen or lost[*]. if i have something valuable and someone steals it then there should be a way of getting it back. digital currencies if done right would allow a person to recover something stolen if the claim is valid.

[*] there's some guy who threw away an old hard drive with bitcoins on it now worth millions of $. he wants to dig up a part of the dump where it might be buried to see if he can find it but so far the authorities are not letting him do it (at least the last i heard about it) - if the value keeps going up so much eventually they may decide to let him go ahead with trying.

back to the future, aka now, where we might have gas prices going up some more. if you haven't already found a decent electric car this kind of event might make you like the idea more. if they can work for you.

 

[Marie2020]

Believe it or not, the old WWII military can openers are still in production - and I still have one somewhere from my seagoing days.

Yes, I remember those gas lines. I also remember when in my city, no gas station wanted to be the first to break the $1.00 a gallon price barrier... and we thought the sky was falling. Bread was $.10 - $.15 a loaf back then.

I have a large pile of old newspapers from the 90's that I saved for fire starting, and I almost feel guilty burning them. I like to re-read some of those articles (and the funnies) to view opinions from those days in the context of current events. Time has the last word in settling debate - for good or ill. It is interesting (and occasionally unsettling) to read how some of the dire predictions of the not-too-distant past actually panned out.

On a more serious note... We are losing some of our living history, as the last who fought in WWII (and those who emigrated to escape from both Hitler and Communism) pass away. With their passing, we are losing their first-person testimony of what it was like to experience tyranny (my great-Grandparents on both sides escaped from Nazi Germany). DW & I speak often with our Grandchildren, three of whom are now in college; history is not receiving the same emphasis as it did when my generation went to school. History not only teaches us of past mistakes & triumphs, it gives us perspective on our progress as a society. All of our national heroes were people of their time, often flawed... which if anything, only serves to further accentuate their greatest achievements. The current toppling of their statues because of a cause du jour ignores those accomplishments, and is a crime against our national heritage. IMO history should be immutable, not something to be casually re-written because we feel uncomfortable with it. It is expressly that discomfort with actions of the past, which guides & propels us to a (hopefully) better future. We forget, alter, or erase the past at our peril.

The biggest problem I've seen from our past is the nazi's that escaped after ww2, they were even helped by a few too evade their capture therefore able too corrupt all that our fathers fought against.

Had they been contained completely maybe we wouldn't have such a mean world today.

 

[digitS']

Advisor, Eisenhower, Senator McCarthy
Herblock, 2/28/1954

 

[Marie2020]

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Advisor, Eisenhower, Senator McCarthy
Herblock, 2/28/1954

Worrying times

 

[ducks4you]

Just heard "weak as water Biden's" speech. NO real sanctions.
One talking head said that he is afraid of cyberwarfare here.
Some comfort to Ukranians.
Please pray for the people there.
They have done nothing to deserve this.

 

[Marie2020]

Just heard "weak as water Biden's" speech. NO real sanctions.
One talking head said that he is afraid of cyberwarfare here.
Some comfort to Ukranians.
Please pray for the people there.
They have done nothing to deserve this.

This is the big problem, it's never the people that cause these problems but it's the people that have too suffer the decisions made by the powers of their country

I'm really worried how this could potentially harm this entire world

Here we've had Brexit, then we have all had the pandemic followed by energy and food increases, now this. .

Please god no more

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