grafting fruit trees for those wanting some info!

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well, after a suggestion from Marshall last night i thought i would post a few links i've been finding online while i'm researching fruit tree grafting! there are plenty of links to find the scion wood from heirloom varieties of trees. the rootstock is the harder item to find suppliers online. :/ there is a lot of info out there on the internet that can help you to do the actual grafting methods so all you really need to do is research!

first i should probably start by giving some info on how or why you might want to graft your own trees. or just what to look for when you are getting a grafted tree either from a local nursery or someone online supplying you with the trees you want at the height you want. most fruit trees are 'clones' made by cutting off branches from the parent tree. it is unreliable to get the same fruit characteristics trying to grow from the seeds because most are cross pollinated with a different variety of tree.

http://www.orangepippintrees.com/articles/introduction-fruit-tree-rootstocks ever wonder how they make a fruit tree a shorter sized tree? it's usually the rootstock that controls how big that tree will get! if the fruiting part of the tree is on it's own rootstock (never grafted) it will be it's full size and probably get to about 30-40 feet tall. rootstock can also help with making a fruit variety more resistant to certain diseases, pests, or hardier and able to grow in colder climates. if you scroll down to the bottom of the Orange Pippin site you can click on the links to the rootstock most commonly used for each type of fruit tree.

Grafting Methods
different types to try and learn. http://www.gardenguides.com/86743-types-plant-grafting.html grafting of veggies for those that have been looking for that info! http://www.hort.uconn.edu/ipm/greenhs/htms/Tomgraft.htm more tree grafting http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/components/DG0532c.html

Scion wood sources
http://www.maplevalleyorchards.com/Pages/ScionWood.aspx
http://www.masonvilleorchard.com/scionwood.htm
there are a lot more sites that carry scion wood, you just need to do a search for fruit tree scion wood. you might even be able to ask locals for their trimmings of their trees for nothing! most scion wood costs only a few dollars for up to a foot long twig that you can make a couple of grafts with. most places will carry & sell scions during February and March. if you can't get to grafting them right away you can triple bag the twigs, place a damp paper towel in the bag and place them in the fridge till you are ready.

Rootstock Suppliers
www.fedcoseeds.com
www.raintreenursery.com
there may be more suppliers of rootstock but these are the 2 i could readily find when i did a search online.

Grafting tools
some things i have found at my local feed store or at a local nursery/greenhouse but there are some decent sources online if you check around. there's a grafting tape that i have never seen locally so i'll probably have to order this, i've seen it called parafilm and some sites charge an outrageous price to ship it. there are a few suppliers that sell it much cheaper on ebay but keep looking around before you decide to buy it. i've heard using electrical tape to wrap the graft is not recommended since the tape becomes brittle after a long time in the sun and could cause the graft to not heal or dry out before it does. you will also need paraffin wax which i know i can get it at my local grocery store where they keep the canning supplies. you could also get it from a local beauty supply store since paraffin wax treatments have been the latest beauty rage at salons. or you could just use up an old candle.
http://www.amleo.com/flexogen-hose-garden-6-ply-3%2f4in/p/VP-34/ poly budding tape with decent shipping if you only need 1 roll.

if anyone has any luck or can add to this please do so! i'd love to hear if anyone had success grafting their own trees. i'm going to take that plunge finally this year!
 

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I tried it a couple of years ago and had a total absolute failure with the bud grafting method. I tried to use my own wax instead of getting some of the recommended stuff. I think that was my biggest problem. I think some of my buds were too big too.

Last summer, out of season, I tried the whip graft method. Two out of the dozen or so I tried actually took. If I can get any success out of season, you can do it, especially if you do it right. These were not necessarily the apples I wanted, just some handy I practiced on.

This time I use Buddy tape instead of going cheap and trying to reuse wax (not paraffin, wax) I had on hand.
http://www.groworganic.com/1-buddy-grafting-tape-approx

I plan on trying the bud grafting method again this early summer because it is the time of year I can get the scion wood from an apple tree my brother has. Ill probably try some whip grafts too. Im feeling a lot more confident now that I have had a bit of success.
 

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thanks for some input on what worked for you Ridgerunner! it would be nice if someone could better categorize the different methods and what seems to be the best for those of us just starting out leading up to the hardest to work with or success.

there also seems to be a lot of videos on YouTube on how to do the different grafting. i've also seen a lot of agricultural colleges online that have info.

i knew i found another rootstock supplier online! he's in NY if anyone is looking!
http://www.cumminsnursery.com/rootstocks.htm

and Cornell University has a few new rootstock varieties to add to their comparison chart.
http://www.cctec.cornell.edu/plants/GENEVA-Apple-Rootstocks-Comparison-Chart-120911.pdf
 

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Grafting is so cool. This coming spring I will find out how many of the grapes that Lee Martinelli bud grafted for me took.

I think if we all get started grafting that'll take us up another level. It is one of those skills that will indeed have some failures before success, aw except for those who are like Mary Poppins, practically perfect.
 

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Marshall, are they being grafted to a certain rootstock that is disease resistant? i've had luck before getting cuttings to start rooting but i've never thought about grafting them to any rootstock. i used to have a clipping of my Canadice that i kept in a jar of water and it would go dormant during the winter. the first year i had it in the house i nearly forgot it was in there and just happen to take a look one day and noticed it was budding and grew all summer long in the house. don't know why i never got around to planting it but i kept it in the house for about 3 years before i forgot about it again and it finally died. i still have it but it dried out. i'm wondering if i put water in the jar if it would come back again. (probably wishful thinking) :p

i have plenty of wild grapevines around this property and they seem to be quite disease resistant. i've seen them bloom but i've never see a cluster of grapes growing on them to find out what they really are. i'm wondering if i could keep those growing and use them for rootstock if i could do some research on them. these things have been climbing at least 20 feet into the trees if i don't keep them clipped back year after year.

i have 18 'sticks' i bought recently that are going into some soil and put in the basement till it is warm enough to get them outside. they should root and start budding by spring if they take. i got Concord, Catawba, and Cayuga. i have to run to my parents and take a few clippings of the Canadice i planted over there 17 years ago. i'm still deciding if i want to get a few more varieties to add but its all a matter of which ones for what uses i really want them for! do i want them for wine, table, juice or jelly making? do i want reds, whites or blues? i'm hoping to find a few that can cover all categories while being resistant to all disease and mildew that could affect them. :lol: we all know there is never going to be that perfect plant for everyone, but i sure can hope for it! i do wish that i could grow a Zinfandel here but they are not cold hardy enough for my zone 4/5 area. i'm not much of a wine drinker but i do use it for cooking.
 

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These grape rootstocks are all hybridized up to be the top rootstock for the vineyards. These rootstocks are even sterile, some kind of tetraploid. They cross native north american grapes with european grapes to get these rootstocks. They are extremely disease resistant to I guess all strains of Phytophthera, and in the course of one year have a huge root system.

Lee Martinelli junior himself did the bud grafts. They normally have their crew do it in their vineyards. His father Lee senior was my forestry teacher in high school.

Concord and Niagra are actually a different species than the wine grapes. Not sure what rootstocks are used for them if any.

I am not worried if some of them do not take. Mine were grafted to strains of chardonnay. Those that did not take I want to replace with Himrod.
 

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