new (?) info. about willow water as rooting hormone: better w/well H2O

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If I may touch on one thing I never see but would share (please forgive me if this is common knowledge for any of you):

You see everywhere that "willow water" (soaked bits of various will species to make a tea) is high in all-natural rooting hormone. While this is true, be careful before you run out and use it liberally: it's very acidic and will burn esp. acid sensitive species, particularly if exposed to any already-existing roots (I sometimes use it for separating or moving plants where roots got damaged, as well as cuttings).

I noticed BIG time that less is more with this stuff, but then this same, lesser concentration freaked out, out of the blue, & burned my maple cuttings once, mysteriously, after I thought I'd found the medium-concentration "sweet spot".
Turns out: that time I had used reverse osmosis water with neutral pH instead of my usual, alkaline well (hard) water! Out of the blue was literal (pun intended) when speaking in terms of pH measurement. Instead of blue green or even green, test drops turned bright deadly yellow in troubleshooting/recreating.
Conversely, and for some time, I was getting away with a stronger concentration of willow juices by using my alkaline well water which was a double-benefit. Nothing likes to root in my straight-up alkaline water (even reluctant when conservatively pH adjusted with H2SO4). The salacylic or whatever acids in the willow bring down my well pH nicely when moderated with bromothymol blue to a nice green hue with a eensy touch of blue (6.-5-ish?). So the double whammy is it adjusts my water for the better when rooting and also is great for the hormone!
If you don't measure pH and wish to experiment with willow water, I'd start out in very low concentrations (not looking like sweet tea, but maybe slight fogginess and almost no visible tannins) if you're using presumably neutral pH water that already roots ok sometimes. If you have the hard water that leaves calcium on your windows you're safer, until you make it look like sweet tea and even then long exposure will burn. I killed the heck out of a rare maple bonsai specimen that should have lived, that way. After all, to really notice the stuff working over a control group I have to soak cuttings in it for hours or overnight. Enough to burn if you've made it too thick.
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Oh, I never thought of that.

Does a similar thing happen if Poplar is used instead of Willow?
 

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I had never heard of this before, but found this article: http://www.bluestem.ca/willow-article1.htm which talks about using aspirin as an activation aid for some plants' immune responses, to help them prevent diseases. Pretty interesting! The rooting aspect sounds pretty easy. Gonna have to go to the creek for some willow stems, now! :)
 

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Well, this turned over a new leaf :/.

You know, the names of products influence us. I kind of figured that something called "green light," if it wasn't organic would at least be for food plants. I wouldn't have to read the fine print to figure out that it is just for ornamentals.

I looked at the bottle of rooting hormone that I've used for years. It doesn't say anything about "ornamental use only" or anything like that. But, checking the Scott's site I learn that it is "For flowers and ornamentals." Okay, no mention of using it for rosemary . . !

Checked Planet Natural where I've bought various products before. They aren't a 100% organic listed source. They've got a rooting compound. It says right on the label: 3-indole butyric acid

Check Wikipedia for 3-indole butyric acid. It is apparently a synthetic product but Wikipedia says: "This chemical may also be extracted from any of the Salix (Willow) genus." There is a plant physiology text cited . . ? Of course, I know that natural ingredients can be toxic. And, the USDA can be slow at listing uses for products for agricultural use.

I am confused! Looked at So Lucky's article and at this: www.naturalchoices.co.uk/Three-Organic-Alternatives-to?id_mot=2 They list "saliva" . . !! May have to start spitting on the rosemary :/. At least, it is months and months before anything will be harvested off the plants.

Steve
(Marshall, do you suppose that Monsanto will try to patent saliva or, maybe, your gopher cat pee repellent?!)
 

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Welcome to the forums, TargetSlayer.

And . .

. Thank You for sharing this information.

Steve
 

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Now that commodities are higher,there a lot of new Ag products using this. More so as growth and root developer
 
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