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I have become someone who believes that gardening success has a lot to do with matching variety to growing environment. There are broadly adaptable varieties that may do well in my garden but for every one of those that grows well for me, another 2 won't.

Then, I have specific gardening desires that I try to satisfy. They provide me with motivation to do all those things a gardener needs to do to take care of the plants. You know how it is! One of my desires this year was to find a suitable yellow slicer for the tomato patch! An heirloom would be ideal.

Dagma's Perfection was a new introduction in the Tomato Growers Supply catalog this past winter. I looked at its description and picture longingly and after weeks of indecision and casting about for alternatives, ordered some seed.

A couple of months later, seedlings had grown into sturdy young plants and I was ready to set them out into the garden! Then, disturbing news reached me! A gardener who I much admire had grown Dagma's Perfection in 'o9 and been disappointed in their production. I set several plants out in my garden anyway :/.

A cool early growing season . . . and I've been looking skeptically at those plants for months now :(. Until about 4 weeks ago, I was convinced that I'd made a mistake. They had very, very few fruits on them. But, warmth finally arrived in August. At first, I missed the tiny green berries that began to develop on the plants. There seemed to be only 1 or 2 fruits but surrounding these larger tomatoes, there must have been several dozen more that were developing.

I have been picking Perfection tomatoes for a couple of weeks. Today, I counted the remaining green fruit on one of the plants. There are 26 nice-sized tomatoes!! I really think that if I had to pick them all tonight, they would all ripen - to a lovely, clear yellow. If they are allowed to stay on the plant, the fruit will have some red streaking from the blossom end extending part way up the tomato. Properly mature, they are really quite pretty and they have a lovely, light flavor!

What I think has happened is that the variety does a very poor job of setting fruit when the night-time temperatures are below about 55F. But once that threshold was reached - fruit set occurred!!

I think I made a very mistaken judgment about this variety early-on. It sure looks like a tomato can do well in my garden :)!

Did you have some varieties that looked like failures but came thru for you in the end??

Steve
 

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Yeah, a totally different climate for me but somewhat similar results. A couple of years back, both Black Krim and Mr. Stripey performed very poorly early in the season but were the strength of the tomatoes as summer wound down. I'd given up on them but I got a late season canning I would have otherwise have missed.

Something else I've learned is that each season is different for me. A plant may perform extremely well one year but not another. A tremendously wet and kind of cool spring and an extremely dry summer with record-setting heat has caused all my tomatoes to perform poorly. A specific one, since you were talking about a yellow slicer. Last year Jubilee performed great all summer. This year, I have gotten almost nothing from it to date, but since the heat broke and we got some good rain, the Jubilees are covered with small green tomatoes. I don't know if they will make it or not before frost. Several other varieties have performed the same way. Nothing all summer but now covered.
 

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What makes people grow different varieties is very specific to environment and their expectations.

For me, if it's not red and non-lobed, I'm probably not going to like it. Yellows have never had the taste I desire and a black tomato is just wrong.:lol: Plus I only plant indeterminent as I don't want one big crop and over. How you obtain your plants is another consideration. Since I buy started plants, I've found Better Boys bear as early as any other variety regardless of days stated. Early girls have been a total waste as they aren't any earlier (in my garden) than Better Boys and no where near the size or quantity.

I'm now down to Better Boys, few Roma types (haven't found one that excites me yet) and a new one every year.
 

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seedcorn said:
. . . a black tomato is just wrong. :lol: . . .
Yes, I'll go for all the other colors but I have that feeling about Green-When-Ripe!

:lol:

Steve
 

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seedcorn said:
I'm now down to Better Boys, few Roma types (haven't found one that excites me yet) and a new one every year.
I don't know where you find started plants without getting started plants shipped, but have you tried Big Mama? It's the only Roma type I've had good success with, but I have to get the seeds from Burpee. Burpee did not have seeds last year, just started plants. Really aggravating.
 

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I had no trouble with Viva Italia (click) several years ago. It was a good, healthy tomato but I don't make use of paste tomatoes and only grew it 1 season.

Gary Ibsen at Tomatofest is the guy who put the name Dagma's Perfection to this other tomato several years ago. His wife's name is Dagma and look how he describes the tomato: (click) ;) . I think he may have been influenced by his own feelings towards his wife.

As far as beautiful tomatoes, I think Tigerella is about the prettiest thing:

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this picture is all over the internet so i borrowed it.

It is a real nice little tomato but nothing terribly exceptional for taste and texture. I did appreciate its earliness. It had a slight problem with its looks in my garden, however.

Flea beetles always chew on tomato foliage a little or a lot every season. Tigerella was the only variety where they chewed on nearly every fruit! Scarred them up fairly bad . . .

Woodle Orange was the early pretty one this year. Mariseeds describes it as "simply gorgeous!" Well, I suppose so . . . You know, these descriptions can backfire on the companies! In looks, its fine altho' I'm still trying to figure out why the sizes of the fruits are so variable on the same plant. Looks aside, Woodle has a real nice flavor, a fairly tender skin and it is very early and a steady, season-long producer. It may have been the best find in 2011 for the tomato patch but before I commit myself on that -- I want to see how those other 26 Perfections turn out on that 1 plant named for lovely Dagma!

Steve :)
 

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I am limited to new varieties of tomatos as I buy from a local greenhouse run by a very old gentleman with the help of his family. He's fading on his knowledge but I enjoy doing business with him. Every year I give him a hard time about not having eggplants and he tells me they aren't worth garden space........... He gets them in about half way through the spring so I do get them from him.

When my DD goes w/me, we always have to get 1/2# of pepperjack cheese. She will share one piece, then it's all hers.
 

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Here is another variety that I may have misunderestimated . . . . This is Santon charentais - a French melon that is supposed to be a type of cantaloupe. The charentais melons really do taste like cantaloupe (a very good cantaloupe, IMO :p). But, they don't look much like what we may think of as cantaloupe!



These are little guys and I've just harvested them. These are the very 1st of the season! The group of them together only weighs 5 pounds. Maybe they are supposed to be that small but the cool start to the season probably stunted the vines and the fruit, as well. I'm just glad they didn't all die!

That happened to me with this variety of charentais one year. I grew them for about 4 years or so but one cold June, all of the vines died.



These are Honey Girl and I guess I can still order the seed from Burpee but I didn't know that since they no longer feature them in the Burpee catalog. I was just delighted with these melons! But . . . they might have all died in my garden this year if they'd been around to set out. Santon did not die in June. However, the Honey Girls would ripen at the end of August/1st of September. Here it is the end of September and I am just getting the Santon! It could be much worse, of course: The plants could have died in June or . . . we could have already had a killing frost :/.

Or, the Santon could have turned out like the Edonis charentais I grew last year. They had all of September in the garden, also. However, Edonis never ripened!

I'll need to try the Santon one more year before I can fully estimate their value. Right now -- I'm just glad I've got these melons and a few more still out there!

Steve :)

BTW, You can click on either melon photograph to find the seed source.
 

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They are delicious. Don't know why I never try and grow them instead of traditional cantalopes????
 
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