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. . . what if we start too early? This is an anniversary for me - February 17th. One year, I started most everything on this date. I can remember really questioning the wisdom of doing that, since it was something like -7F that morning. I've never started anything but the onions (for transplanting) that early since. What a mess I had that spring :p!

I'm in a little colder area than many of us here on TEG.

I've looked around on NOAA's Freeze/Frost tables (click) for quite a few states and know that the growing season isn't exceptionally late here. It is, however, nearly always - a very slow start. Our spring weather is strongly influenced by ocean water, about 300 miles away. All that water is on the other side of a desert (yep) and some very high mountains. Still, that cool air blows in here during the spring storms and lingers . . . lingers . . . lingers.

Until summer! Then high pressure builds, it gets very dry and sunny :cool:, and night-time temperatures plummet every 24 hours :rolleyes:.

We are all faced with challenges and our little seedlings really take some falls, some years.

If you look at the NOAA tables, it seems easiest to take the date in the "middle of the middle" - 50% probability relative to 32. Most everywhere, there's a 4 week period between the 10% probabilities. The early date, say: April 1st, is a 10% probability that the last frost has occurred. The late date, say: April 28th, is a 10% probability that the last frost is yet to occur.

That's quite a long period of time :/!! If you are at April 1st and all the long-range forecasts look like warm weather is here to stay - no problem. You may not have gotten the jump on the season but . . . who cares! You are good to go!! Or, give your seedlings another week to grow a little more and - out they go!

If you are at April 14th, (maybe your 50% date for 32) and it looks like you've got another 2 weeks to get outta the cold snap! ! What are ya gonna do??! Here's what the commercial outfits would, at least ;), be trying to do --- get the indoor temperature down.

You can't decrease the light, really at anytime. Do you want those babies to stretch, searching for that light? Nope. Can't do that.

Getting them out for hardening-off is a little tuff, if'n you got clouds, 30mph wind gusts, 45 daytime temperatures . . . you know, bad spring weather conditions! Get the indoor temperatures DOWN.

In our climate-controlled homes, many of us set the thermostat and leave it. Sharing the house with all of our garden seedlings, this temperature-control habit is probably not a good one. First off, the commercial greenhouse, with all that wonderful light (maybe even supplemented) will probably be growing their plant starts at less than 65, overnight. When they are heating with their furnaces thru the day - it is likely to be a nice cool 68. (They will struggle mightily to keep the temperature down in the 70's, on a bright, warm day.)

You are 2 weeks away from setting out and the plants are stomping and snorting at the starting gate - get the temperatures down to about 60 overnight and don't allow them to rise above 65 during the day. Sometimes, tuff to do but a comforter on the bed and a sweater around the house for a few days may be worth it. Keep in mind that I'm talking about growing conditions. Nearly every seed will benefit from temperatures above 70 for a good start but, especially with limited indoor light, limiting warmth will result in sturdier plants thru their weeks indoors.

In life, timing is everything. I start nearly everything twice - sowing seed indoors about 10 days apart. Sometimes, those early plants are really root-bound by the time I can get them out :/! Sometimes, the later plants are still silly little things when outdoor conditions are ideal. I do the best I can :).

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It sure is tempting to get everything going early this year. I have certainly learned that I can count on late frosts no matter how warm Feb and March are. It is not unusual for us to have cold nights and frost into May. This year we have had such beautiful weather, then 2 days ago it turned colder than it's been all winter and we got some snow, which is far more normal for us at this time of year! Just like you point out, Steve, it's really a good idea to use the charts and not be influenced by weirdo weather.
 

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Yeah, we went through this recently on anothr thread. It has been really mild here, then a few days ago it got into single digits Fahrenheit. If I had started things (which I can't anyway because my ground is too wet) I'd have lost a lot of it. I'll wait until the ground dries out, probably mid-March.

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Perfect quote, Ridgerunner.

Steve, regarding starting seed indoors - I discovered last year that I am way, way too busy in the spring to pay proper attention to starting seed indoors with the setup I have now (very makeshift). So, until I put together a better system that doesn't take as much of my time, I will resign myself to direct sowing. With our long growing season here, it should work ok, but our harvests will probably be later than others. In looking at the frost date table that I have, I decided to use the 50% date, just like you said. Seems to make the most sense.

Question: What you say about decreasing your temps inside the house makes sense, but how do you do that if you have lights directly on the seedlings? I have yet to purchase the 4' flourescent shop lights that I will eventually use to make my seed starting area. Is there a certain kind to look for that don't get warm?
 

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digitS' said:
. . . what if we start too early? This is an anniversary for me - February 17th. One year, I started most everything on this date. I can remember really questioning the wisdom of doing that, since it was something like -7F that morning. I've never started anything but the onions (for transplanting) that early since. What a mess I had that spring :p!

I'm in a little colder area than many of us here on TEG.

I've looked around on NOAA's Freeze/Frost tables (click) for quite a few states and know that the growing season isn't exceptionally late here. It is, however, nearly always - a very slow start. Our spring weather is strongly influenced by ocean water, about 300 miles away. All that water is on the other side of a desert (yep) and some very high mountains. Still, that cool air blows in here during the spring storms and lingers . . . lingers . . . lingers.

Until summer! Then high pressure builds, it gets very dry and sunny :cool:, and night-time temperatures plummet every 24 hours :rolleyes:.

We are all faced with challenges and our little seedlings really take some falls, some years.

If you look at the NOAA tables, it seems easiest to take the date in the "middle of the middle" - 50% probability relative to 32. Most everywhere, there's a 4 week period between the 10% probabilities. The early date, say: April 1st, is a 10% probability that the last frost has occurred. The late date, say: April 28th, is a 10% probability that the last frost is yet to occur.

That's quite a long period of time :/!! If you are at April 1st and all the long-range forecasts look like warm weather is here to stay - no problem. You may not have gotten the jump on the season but . . . who cares! You are good to go!! Or, give your seedlings another week to grow a little more and - out they go!

If you are at April 14th, (maybe your 50% date for 32) and it looks like you've got another 2 weeks to get outta the cold snap! ! What are ya gonna do??! Here's what the commercial outfits would, at least ;), be trying to do --- get the indoor temperature down.

You can't decrease the light, really at anytime. Do you want those babies to stretch, searching for that light? Nope. Can't do that.

Getting them out for hardening-off is a little tuff, if'n you got clouds, 30mph wind gusts, 45 daytime temperatures . . . you know, bad spring weather conditions! Get the indoor temperatures DOWN.

In our climate-controlled homes, many of us set the thermostat and leave it. Sharing the house with all of our garden seedlings, this temperature-control habit is probably not a good one. First off, the commercial greenhouse, with all that wonderful light (maybe even supplemented) will probably be growing their plant starts at less than 65, overnight. When they are heating with their furnaces thru the day - it is likely to be a nice cool 68. (They will struggle mightily to keep the temperature down in the 70's, on a bright, warm day.)

You are 2 weeks away from setting out and the plants are stomping and snorting at the starting gate - get the temperatures down to about 60 overnight and don't allow them to rise above 65 during the day. Sometimes, tuff to do but a comforter on the bed and a sweater around the house for a few days may be worth it. Keep in mind that I'm talking about growing conditions. Nearly every seed will benefit from temperatures above 70 for a good start but, especially with limited indoor light, limiting warmth will result in sturdier plants thru their weeks indoors.

In life, timing is everything. I start nearly everything twice - sowing seed indoors about 10 days apart. Sometimes, those early plants are really root-bound by the time I can get them out :/! Sometimes, the later plants are still silly little things when outdoor conditions are ideal. I do the best I can :).

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Awsome chart! Glad you posted the link...I just don't understand the last column...Probability Level (4) can you explain this one?
 

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It is the percent of days out of the year with temperatures at or below the threshold temperature.

The probability of temperatures for example, if the numbers are: 52, 41, and 29, then:

52% of the days will see a temperature of 36
41% of the days will see a temperature of 32
29% of the days will see a temperature of 28

I have no idea why this would be of any help to anyone. Maybe, as comparison of one location with another . . .

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Well I saw that across the nation the temps for this winter have been on average 5-6 degrees warmer then normal. Technically that means nothing but if it holds and I am guess (and I have been wrong before) that I can plant with the earliest date and not the latest on the charts. I started tomotoes last night. We are putting in raised beds and I am looking at hoop houses as a back up. My husband and I am 43 yr young and I have two teenage boys that need to help earn their keep so I think we can pull it off.
 

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