Gone to the Dogs

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Soon, Pleasant Backyard Weather!

 

[Marie2020]

No fighting in the car

 

[heirloomgal]

A friend's dog had a litter of puppies. Cutest little fluffers, mom is 1/2 Anatolian and 1/2 Kangal. 1st puppy got adopted out; 2 days later the adopter guy (who is a next door neighbor) asked if she could puppysit for a minute while he ran an errand. Brought puppy over (who had actually kept trying to get back to her house whenever he was outside) and mother dog tried to kill the puppy. A very close call, no one saw it coming. Wow, I guess that is the guardian breed mind of what belongs/what doesn't. I would not have guessed she'd disassociate in 2 days from her pup. Powerful reminder that dogs are indeed predators at heart.

 

[ducks4you]

Nah...don't think that's predator behavior. I think that's Breed behavior and I wouldn't Want a puppy from a mother who behaves like that, certainly not behavior towards her Own puppies.
NONE of my dogs were vicious towards other dogs, certainly Not puppies,
I'm glad that YOU didn't get bitten!

 

[Marie2020]

Nah...don't think that's predator behavior. I think that's Breed behavior and I wouldn't Want a puppy from a mother who behaves like that, certainly not behavior towards her Own puppies.

My dog that died last October, was as soft as a brush and he came from a mother like that. But she was starved and forced too keep having puppies.

NONE of my dogs were vicious towards other dogs, certainly Not puppies,
I'm glad that YOU didn't get bitten!

This is only my opinion and I'm not starting a conversation. Because I know very well many just will not agree with me.

It actually hurts my heart (infact it sickens me to the core) that people get their dogs to have puppies for them to make money out if them.

Nancy Rose was forced too have puppies, and from what I heard, it damaged her.

I can understand that certain breeds might be necessary for farming but to my mind that is something else altogether. But even after my saying the above, certain mix breeds can sometimes be trained or on some occasions it might even come naturally to them

One of the mixed breed dog's I had that was reared in a town. Actually coming from the streets.
That boy surprised me so much when we moved into the country, without any training at all, he automatically started helping a farmer round up his sheep one day.
That farmer didn't like dogs but instantly took to my old lad.

Back to why I don't like dogs being bred to sell. There's millions of dogs out in the world that needs a home.

I've adopted 5 in my lifetime and as I have written above, one of the little mix bred dogs that came from the streets, turned out to being a natural sheep herding lad and the most intelligent dog I have ever known.

 

[heirloomgal]

Nah...don't think that's predator behavior. I think that's Breed behavior and I wouldn't Want a puppy from a mother who behaves like that, certainly not behavior towards her Own puppies.
NONE of my dogs were vicious towards other dogs, certainly Not puppies,
I'm glad that YOU didn't get bitten!

I agree ducks, it's not really a predator thing in this case so much as a breed thing. The mother has 2 strong guardian breeds in her genes and for whatever reason (smell likely people surmise) she identified that puppy as not belonging there. Most of the other puppies are still with her, and she's wonderful with them. The resident cat, whom the dog had lived with just fine all her life, started to feel like being around the new puppies wasn't safe for her and disappeared for a solid week. The dog decided that, for a time, the cat did not belong there. Cat has since returned though and hasn't been harmed. I wasn't there when it happened, so there was no risk to me. But I have been in MANY situations where a dog is trying to kill or maim another dog and it deeply disturbs me. I dislike that energy tremendously. I like dogs, but I have seen what they're capable of.

 

[heirloomgal]

My dog that died last October, was as soft as a brush and he came from a mother like that. But she was starved and forced too keep having puppies.

This is only my opinion and I'm not starting a conversation. Because I know very well many just will not agree with me.

It actually hurts my heart (infact it sickens me to the core) that people get their dogs to have puppies for them to make money out if them.

Nancy Rose was forced too have puppies, and from what I heard, it damaged her.

I can understand that certain breeds might be necessary for farming but to my mind that is something else altogether. But even after my saying the above, certain mix breeds can sometimes be trained or on some occasions it might even come naturally to them

One of the mixed breed dog's I had that was reared in a town. Actually coming from the streets.
That boy surprised me so much when we moved into the country, without any training at all, he automatically started helping a farmer round up his sheep one day.
That farmer didn't like dogs but instantly took to my old lad.

Back to why I don't like dogs being bred to sell. There's millions of dogs out in the world that needs a home.

I've adopted 5 in my lifetime and as I have written above, one of the little mix bred dogs that came from the streets, turned out to being a natural sheep herding lad and the most intelligent dog I have ever known.

This dog wasn't purposely bred, and she's never had puppies before. My friend really did not want a litter. Her dog was never allowed to roam free or be put in a situation where something could happen, but someone else was letting their dog run unsupervised and he jumped the fence into her yard. Sad.

I agree that there is far too much suffering in this world when it comes to domesticated animals, of any kind. Anything that can be done to reduce that I think should be done. But where I live dogs don't wind up in shelters because of overpopulation, generally, they end up there because of problematic behaviors that the people can't cope with. We have a SERIOUS epidemic of dog aggression in my city, and that is very much tied to dogs seeing themselves as the leader, and the humans the followers. Leads to disaster for everyone involved.

 

[Marie2020]

This dog wasn't purposely bred, and she's never had puppies before. My friend really did not want a litter. Her dog was never allowed to roam free or be put in a situation where something could happen, but someone else was letting their dog run unsupervised and he jumped the fence into her yard. Sad.

Gosh that was bad luck. Like some humans not everyone is cut out to be a parent.

I agree that there is far too much suffering in this world when it comes to domesticated animals, of any kind. Anything that can be done to reduce that I think should be done. But where I live dogs don't wind up in shelters because of overpopulation, generally, they end up there because of problematic behaviors that the people can't cope with. We have a SERIOUS epidemic of dog aggression in my city, and that is very much tied to dogs seeing themselves as the leader, and the humans the followers. Leads to disaster for everyone involved.

That is really scary.
There's isn't many here with that problem thankfully. But there's definitely a few that comes to my mind. But that's down to the human beings that neglect and abuse them

 

[baymule]

I have 2 Anatolian Shepherds, a spayed female, Sheba, and a registered male, Buford T. Justice. Sheba was not breeding quality, so at 18 months, was spayed. Buford is AKC registered and has been accessed as exceptional by a breeder of 40 years. Buford has been OFA X-rayed for hips and elbows and graded as excellent. My friend, the breeder wants him collected, the sperm stored for future use in case something happens to Buford. He is willing to pay for it and I’ll turn it over to him. My friend has lots of pictures of Buford and several videos.

Anatolians are very specialized dogs, bred for thousands of years to protect flocks, their humans and homes. In their native lands, they are vicious and greatly admired for being so. In America, the puppies have been chosen for more friendly personalities because of insurance, homeowners, lawsuits, and vicious dogs are generally considered a liability and destroyed.

Anatoilians are very intelligent and are independent thinkers. I don’t have to tell them their jobs, they instinctively know and I have trained them not to play with their sheep and chew on them. Mine stay in the fence. I have spent hours teaching them to stay where I put them. Puppies tend want to play and have to be watched so they don’t chase the lambs.

Buford used to bark at newborn lambs. Suddenly these things showed up and he was confused. I kept moms and lambs separated for about a week to give him time to figure out they belonged here. I let him in with Granny and her newborn and Granny rammed him, beat him up and scared the liver out of him. He hid behind me, begging with his eyes to get out of there!

He turned 2 in September. Lambing started in November and Buford no longer barked at the babies. I put him in a pen at night next to the ewes so he was next to the lambs being born, but couldn’t interfere. Finally a ewe lambed triplets in the day and I sat with Buford and together we watched. All he needed was a soft ahnt, and he backed off. Buford has matured into a fine guardian. Not only does he respect the ewe and newborns, giving them space, but he guards the ewe while she gives birth and won’t let the other sheep near.

At about 6 months old, he challenged me, snarled up on me. I tackled him, took him to the ground, snarling like a vicious dog, sat on him, grabbed him on both sides of his face and shook him hard. I kept it up until he yelped and gave in. Then he wouldn’t come to me. Nope. Not having that. I cornered him, backed off a few feet and sternly called him to me. He crept over to me and I heaped praises on him. We did it over and over until he got the idea that if I call, he comes, most of the time. LOL

Anatolians are a more primitive breed. They are not for beginners. They are big powerful creatures and must recognize their owners as the leaders of the pack. I am the alpha bitch, the leader of the pack. I do not hit my dogs. I lead with scoldings, and heaping praises on them. They adore me and would defend me with their lives.

@heirloomgal the mother dog wasn’t being a predator. That puppy smelled different and was no longer “hers.” She was defending her puppies from the intruder.
Does your friend keep livestock for the dog to have work to do?
What breed of dog was the father to the litter? Mixed up mutts are a whole ‘nother story when it comes to livestock guardian breeds. If your friend cannot keep her female contained, put up so male dogs cannot get to her, then she should have her spayed. I realize oops breedings happen, but it is irresponsible. That included putting the female up so male dogs can’t get to her, even in her own yard. If she doesn’t want puppies, then she really should spay her female. Just my opinion.

@Marie2020 ive had mutts, I’ve adopted mutts. I’ve always been in favor of spay and neuter. But I’m on a different playing field. I have a big black half Labrador and half Great Dane as my buddy, house and farm dog. When he’s gone, I won’t replace him. He is not neutered because he needs those hormones to keep his great size healthy with strong bones. I will concentrate on my Anatolians. I will use Buford for breeding other registered Anatolians. My Anatolians are working dogs. They have specific characteristics that I want. I don’t even want a cross breed of another livestock guardian breed. There are lots of them out there, but I consider it irresponsible to mix them up. These breeds evolved for a thousand years in their own countries for specific purposes. They have different styles of guarding and different personalities.

My Anatolians are not vicious. They are fierce. Those fields belong to them. Those sheep belong to them. Anything that goes in their fields is going to be dead. I have warned neighbors with small dogs to keep them on their own property and off mine. I’ve warned neighbors that if for some reason their dog does come on my property and is able to get in a field, it will be attacked. Furthermore, don’t even think about going in to rescue their dog. Know and understand that their dog will be dead, I’ll give them back the body.

I can take someone in the field, the dogs will run up. I hug the person, tell the dogs this is my friend, the dogs sniff them all over, and accept the person. They are safe because I’m with them. A few people are totally accepted and can go in without me.

Didn’t mean to write a book! I am passionate about my Anatolians.

 

[flowerbug]

Gosh that was bad luck. Like some humans not everyone is cut out to be a parent.

That is really scary.
There's isn't many here with that problem thankfully. But there's definitely a few that comes to my mind. But that's down to the human beings that neglect and abuse them

sadly, there are some animals that are not compatible with humans and even if their breeding means they are mostly ok, that still doesn't mean that each and every one is ok. at times, like with people, you just get a bad one and you need to be responsible and put it down as humanely as possible. alas, too many people just abandon such pets and that just passes the problem on to others and is much worse because a stranger doesn't know the history of the animal or what it is capable of and may think they are helping out a friendly stray only to end up being hurt or killed.

i love that you have a big heart and love all pets and animals and want to rescue them, but in the end not each one can be.