2021 Little Easy Bean Network - Bean Lovers Come Discover Something New !

[HmooseK]

Cabbage and Beans. Oh my! Someone’s gonna be blowing on the bugle.

 

[heirloomgal]

Hmm if we have bean flies I don't know about them. We have Bean Leaf Beetles and Mexican Bean Beetles. I had to replant last year due to leaf beetles combined with flea beetles but kaolin clay kept them at bay long enough for the second round to get a head start. We also have bean weevils but I never see them til they start hatching out of beans while they dry.

This is all in my community garden plots. My other gardens have no insect pests and I make sure to keep them separate from any community garden beans.

Delia platura, Delia florilega are the names of the 2 types bean seed pests. I only learned about having those - though they don't tend to affect many beans when they do appear - from @Artorius as he has them too. I've probably always had them, and never really noticed because they don't generally do much damage. But this year, having only so many network beans for a variety, I noticed!

They cause damage to the cotyledons underground so plants can emerge looking like this - in my case seedling stems coming up with no heads or with damaged cotyledons that have rust colour on them and never sprout leaves. I'm glad I found out about them so that now I will always plant network beans inside, wait for emergence and some leaves, then bring outside. It's a good precaution in the case of having only a few seeds of some variety. After this year I learned to LOVE bean transplants. Harvested much earlier with them.

This can happen with an older plant, but I haven't seen it myself. (Thankfully!)

 

[heirloomgal]

Do you cook something similar? This is one of the traditional Polish Christmas Eve dinner dishes. No sausage on this day

Beans with cabbage, potatoes and mushrooms

1.25 kg of sauerkraut
50g of dried mushrooms
500g of potatoes
300g of beans
fried, diced sausage
salt and pepper to taste

In the evening, pour water over the mushrooms, and do the same with the beans. The next day, boil the mushrooms and the soaked beans separately in salted water. We cook the cabbage and potatoes separately. Drain the mushrooms, beans, cabbage and potatoes, cooked until tender. Steam the potatoes and knead them. Squeeze the excess water out of the cabbage. We cut cabbage and mushrooms. Mix all the ingredients, add the sausage and heat it up. Season with pepper.

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[jbosmith]

Delia platura, Delia florilega are the names of the 2 types bean seed pests. I only learned about having those - though they don't tend to affect many beans when they do appear - from @Artorius as he has them too. I've probably always had them, and never really noticed because they don't generally do much damage. But this year, having only so many network beans for a variety, I noticed!

They cause damage to the cotyledons underground so plants can emerge looking like this - in my case seedling stems coming up with no heads or with damaged cotyledons that have rust colour on them and never sprout leaves. I'm glad I found out about them so that now I will always plant network beans inside, wait for emergence and some leaves, then bring outside. It's a good precaution in the case of having only a few seeds of some variety. After this year I learned to LOVE bean transplants. Harvested much earlier with them.

This can happen with an older plant, but I haven't seen it myself. (Thankfully!)

Ahh I almost always transplant everything but peas so it's possible that I have these in that community garden and just don't know it. I've heard of them in the midwest though.

These are the weevils that appear in my community garden beans while they're drying. I just sifted these out using a steamer pot with holes too small for the beans but big enough for the beetles. Now the beans are in the freezer.

The round black bits in the second picture are the holes they poke out of the seed coats when they emerge. The first time I had them I didn't see them til January or February and they left the beans looking like swiss cheese.

 

[Zeedman]

Ahh I almost always transplant everything but peas so it's possible that I have these in that community garden and just don't know it. I've heard of them in the midwest though.

These are the weevils that appear in my community garden beans while they're drying. I just sifted these out using a steamer pot with holes too small for the beans but big enough for the beetles. Now the beans are in the freezer.

The round black bits in the second picture are the holes they poke out of the seed coats when they emerge. The first time I had them I didn't see them til January or February and they left the beans looking like swiss cheese.

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(Knocking on wood...)

I've only had weevils twice, and both times were incoming seed. One of those was from a large, well-known seed company (who I've had other issues with as well). The other was seed received from a swap, and by the time I checked on it, all beans had been destroyed. Fortunately I acquired more of the dead seed (which I still grow). When I grew out the surviving commercial seed, it was not even the right species, and I never grew it again.

Because I quarantine any new bean seeds in a sealed container, I catch any infestation before planting - it never gets into my garden, or my seed stock. I am just as careful with new garlic stock, ordering only from a few trusted sources to avoid the introduction of garlic bloat nematode.

 

[flowerbug]

i've only seen holes in beans from a few suppliers and those were more bulk types so it wasn't a big deal. put them in the freezer to make sure they weren't being spread further.

so far this shelling season i've seen only a few beetle holes in shelled out beans, but i hardly ever see holes in anything i've stored that i've grown and shelled after i've sorted them out. i also don't find any bits of chewed up beans in containers of stored beans. i've never seen anything remotely like the pics that @jbosmith posted, yikes!

this year while shelling i am finding several worms per box and i haven't seen as many of these before so there's some kind of infestation out there that is increasing. i'm not sure yet which exact worm they are but they look like Western Bean Cutworm, but i'll have to look closer at the next one i find and see if it really is that or something else.

[edited p.s. note, of course i didn't find any others after i wrote that ]

 

[Pulsegleaner]

My seed room once got infested with bean weevils thanks to a bag bag of seeds. It took me months (and throwing out a lot of seed) to get it under control. I suppose I am just lucky that most of the bean weevils are bean species specific, and the kind I had only affected Bambara Groundnuts (and possibly cow peas, all of my cow pea seed was stored away and out of reach of them).

Had grain weevils a few times as well sneak in in corn. And when I first got my mini corn, I literally had to candle each kernel to get rid of the grain moths (that's why there are so few pictures of whole ears from the beginning of the work; almost no cobs were in a state where they were holding together.)

 

[jbosmith]

i've only seen holes in beans from a few suppliers and those were more bulk types so it wasn't a big deal. put them in the freezer to make sure they weren't being spread further.

so far this shelling season i've seen only a few beetle holes in shelled out beans, but i hardly ever see holes in anything i've stored that i've grown and shelled after i've sorted them out. i also don't find any bits of chewed up beans in containers of stored beans. i've never seen anything remotely like the pics that @jbosmith posted, yikes!

this year while shelling i am finding several worms per box and i haven't seen as many of these before so there's some kind of infestation out there that is increasing. i'm not sure yet which exact worm they are but they look like Western Bean Cutworm, but i'll have to look closer at the next one i find and see if it really is that or something else.

I always freeze beans that I get from others ahead of planting, just to be safe. I also have a garden that I'm likely to lose in the coming years, and that's my sacrifice plot for first-time growouts in case there's a weird fungus or something. There never has been, but it's an easy precaution for me to take with my setup.

Weevils are definitely not the norm around here. I've never heard of any of the dry bean farmers I know having problems for example. I suspect it's partly because our farms are scattered through wooded mountains and partly because of the short season and cold winters. The latter provides an extra layer of protection in that there are very few large scale soybean plantings here.

When I'm not doing trials in the community garden plots I usually shell beans directly into canning jars in the field and either can or freeze them immediately. Growing seed there is certainly doable, but it's just easier for me to do that elsewhere. It's a great place to learn about every sort of pest that could ever possibly be a factor in growing a crop here though ;-)

On the bright side, weevils seem to be really bad at getting around. They theoretically possess the ability to fly but I have rarely seen them do it and never any useful distance, and I've never had a problem in one room of my house spread to another. These beans were all at the far end of my house from the other 5 gallons or so that I have drying and I went through all of those pretty thoroughly last night without any signs of bugs.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I'll present my bean show now. I can usually grow two season's worth down here, planting in early March and again in July. This was not a good year. I had trouble getting them established (cool late spring) and we had about two feet more rain than normal during most of the growing season and especially during harvest season. I was out there harvesting about anything that had even started to turn to try to get it before it sprouted in the pod. Production was horrible and I still had to discard half or more of the seeds I got. In general, quality is pretty low. By the time I got the second round planted it was so late I don't expect much if any results. Certainly not enough to be worth another bean show. Some years are like that. But there is always next year.

My first round will be from the Will Bonsall outcrosses I got from Russ in 2016. I'll start with Aksai. This is a segregation I got from the WB #32 packet which makes Terrier Kidney the parent bean. I consider them stabilized. Typically they are pretty productive but not this season. Both production and quality were so poor I'm not ready to pass on any seeds. I'll try growing them next year to get quality seeds to pass on to you Russ.

This first one is Aksai. When the bean is fresh it is a porcelain white but it dries to a tan. It is a vigorous upright bush bean of decent size. The flower is interesting. You usually get a yellow bloom right next to this two toned pink on the same plant. A lot of these Will Bonsall crosses do that, different colored flowers on the same plant. The pod is solid green and usually about 5" long.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Next up is Cock 'n Bull. The story is pretty much the same as Aksai. It is also from the WB #32 packet so the parent bean is Terrier Kidney. It has been stabile since the first grow out but this year's production and quality are too low to send on. This is an upright vigorous bush, pretty productive. The bean I planted is on the bottom in the photo. The flower is a pale pink with green pods about 6" long. That's it for my stabilized beans from the Will Bonsall outcrosses.