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[wifezilla]

There are a few places that have used that term. In my post I was referring to the way people ate before "western contact". I should have been more specific. But here is what I am talking about...http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html

But if you want to go "old school", here is an interesting article about a hunter/gatherer tribe vs an agricultural society. They lived in the same area but a few hundred years apart.
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/...lth-in-agriculturalists-and-hunter-gatherers/

 

[digitS']

I'm not a nutritionist, just a gardener but if my energy doesn't come from carbs then it is likely to come from fat. Especially if red meat is a major part of the diet.

Wifezilla, you and I aren't going to be agreeing on sources for useful information. I may not "want to truly understand the science" but I think I'll be getting information from the National Academy of Sciences: "An Acceptable Macronutrient Distribution Range (AMDR), however, has been estimated for total fatit is 20 to 35 percent of energy."

The American Heart Association takes a real hard-nosed attitude: "The American Heart Association doesn't recommend high-protein diets for weight loss." The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada position statement and cautions on low carbohydrate diets seem completely reasonable to me.

The Harvard Medical School Guide to Men's Health has recommendations for a healthful diet:
Cholestrol: less than 300mg
Saturated fat: less than 10 percent of calories
Polyunsatured fat: 3 to 7 percent of calories
All carbohydrates: 60 to 70 percent of calories
Protein: 10 to 15 percent of calories
page 126

The American Medical Association considers Colorado one of five states noteworthy for "Leadership by Example." Your state is working to achieve a goal of "adults and adolescents who consume no more than 30 percent of calories from fat."

Colorado State University takes on diet books. The 1st one they consider is the low carbohydrate Atkin's Diet: "Does not teach good eating habits. Can be dangerous. Claims are not nutritionally sound." Jennifer Anderson, PhD is the lead author if you want to take it up with her. She has been a registered nutritionist since 1977.

I think you have your work cut out for you right there in your home state. And, for a garden forum, we seem to be doing a lot of chewing the fat.

Steve

 

[seedcorn]

Being from a family that dies of heart disease and ulcers. Fat does kill. So will too much starch or sugars. key in all is moderation vs. calories burned.

 

[hoodat]

You have to take your individual metabolism into consideration. When it comes to diet one size doesn't fit all. One of my gripes is the way they trim all the fat off meat nowadays. A pork chop without fat is a dry and tasteless thing. I frequent a local Mexican butcher and he keeps the meat with fat on it for me. I often ask him to grind some beef hamburger and throw in a couple large chunks of pork fat. It makes for a juicy, tender burger.
Most of my diet is meat with whatever is ready in the garden. I'd guess carbs are about 10% or less of my diet.
I could probably stand to take off a few pounds but I don't get fat that easy. When my weight gets too high I stop getting hungry as often.

 

[wifezilla]

Well good luck is all I can say. The AHA and the AMA bases their entire database of recommendations on the Ancel Keys fraud. The lipid hypothesis is bogus.

"The Framingham Heart Study is often cited as proof of the lipid hypothesis. This study began in 1948 and involved some 6,000 people from the town of Framingham, Massachusetts. Two groups were compared at five-year intervalsthose who consumed little cholesterol and saturated fat and those who consumed large amounts. After 40 years, the director of this study had to admit: "In Framingham, Mass, the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower the persons serum cholesterol. . . we found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, ate the most calories, weighed the least and were the most physically active."3 The study did show that those who weighed more and had abnormally high blood cholesterol levels were slightly more at risk for future heart disease; but weight gain and cholesterol levels had an inverse correlation with fat and cholesterol intake in the diet."
http://www.prlog.org/10177714-the-evidence-supporting-the-lipid-hypothesis.html

Man did not evolve eating boat loads of carbs. For millions of years, animal meat and fat fueled the development of our brains. Now, for the past 30 years it is supposed to kill us? Yeah right.

I followed a low fat diet and it just about killed me. High blood pressure, diabetes, obesity, etc... Now all that damage has been reverse by eating foods we evolved to eat.

"When people on low-carb diets have been compared head-to-head with those on low-fat diets, the low-carb dieters typically scored significantly better on markers of heart disease, including small, dense LDL cholesterol, HDL/LDL ratio, and triglycerides, which are a measure of the amount of fat circulating in your blood.

For example, in a new 12-week study, University of Connecticut scientists placed overweight men and women on either a low-carb or low-fat diet. Those who followed the low-carb diet consumed 36 grams of saturated fat per day (22 percent of total calories), which represented more than three times the amount in the low-fat diet. Yet despite this considerably greater intake of saturated fat, the low-carb dieters reduced both their number of small, dense LDL cholesterol and their HDL/LDL ratio to a greater degree than those who ate a low-fat diet. In addition, triglycerides decreased by 51 percent in the low-carb group--compared with 19 percent in the low-fat group."
http://www.menshealth.com/health/saturated-fat/page/5

 

[seedcorn]

Man did not evolve eating boat loads of carbs. For millions of years, animal meat and fat fueled the development of our brains

Now I understand. Core beliefs are different. I don't believe man evolved. Early man ate mainly grains (history from Bible) with little meat. Life expectancy was about 60 years.

When this country was founded, it was a mainly meat diet, man lived about 30 years.

Meat and grains are both needed and bring different things to our diet.

Steve, good luck with your diet changes.

 

[wifezilla]

If you are going biblical, the wheat of biblical times is nothing like the wheat eaten over the last 30 years.

Also, I think god was pretty clear about his preference...

"In the course of time Cain brought to the LORD an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. The LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is couching at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it."

Looks like god preferred some cooked mutton WITH fat.

Another interesting chapter is Ezikiel. The bread described in that passage is a desperation food used to suffer through a siege because they don't have access to meat. Not something nummy and nourishing meant to make you healthy and thriving.

As for life expectancy, that speaks more to sanitation and elimination of communicable diseases than anything. Also agriculture does allow huge population booms that then lead to a crash if there is a bad crop (like the potato famine).

 

[thistlebloom]

If you are going biblical, the wheat of biblical times is nothing like the wheat eaten over the last 30 years.

Also, I think god was pretty clear about his preference...

"In the course of time Cain brought to the LORD an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. The LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is couching at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it."

It's not about what they brought, it was all about the the attitude of their heart, Cain was envious and harboring hatred for his brother, therefore the warning from GOD.
Now we've gone from gardening to philosophy!

 

[wifezilla]

It happens...LOL

Interestingly enough, the current USDA recommendations are being hotly debated right now. The new recommendations were released, but groups like the Metabolism Society and the Weston Price Foundation are not happy.

"WASHINGTON, DC, January 31 2011: As an alternative to the USDA lowfat, high-carbohydrate dietary guidelines, a Washington, DC nutrition foundation proposes a Healthy 4 Life dietary plan in the form of a colorful booklet and poster featuring four food groups: animal foods; grains, legumes and nuts; vegetables and fruits; and healthy fats.

Rather than prescribe one-size-fits-all levels of macronutrientsfats, carbohydrates and proteinsthe Healthy 4 Life plan recommends nutrient-dense versions of animal and plant foods, with particular emphasis on healthy traditional fats like butter, lard, egg yolks and coconut oil. The plan does not specify specific amounts of fats or carbohydrates because the need for these macronutrients varies with the individual. Those who engage in high levels of physical activity can incorporate more carbohydrates in the diet without gaining weight; those needing to lose weight or control blood glucose levels require more healthy fats in the diet as fats provide satiety and help keep blood sugar within a normal range.

"The proposed 2010 USDA Dietary Guidelines perpetuate the mistakes of previous guidelines in demonizing saturated fats and animal foods rich in saturated fatty acids such as egg yolks, butter, whole milk, cheese, fatty meats like bacon and animal fats for cooking. The current obesity epidemic emerged as vegetable oils and refined carbohydrates replaced these healthy, nutrient-dense traditional fats. Animal fats supply many essential nutrients that are difficult to obtain from other sources," explains Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation.

The Weston A. Price Foundation is a nonprofit nutrition education foundation dedicated to providing accurate information about nutrition. Named for Dr. Weston A. Price, whose pioneering research discovered the vital importance of animal fats in human diets, the Foundation has warned against the dangers of lowfat and plant-based diets.

The Foundation has been critical of the unscientific demonization of saturated fats embedded in the USDA guidelines. A recent meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies found no evidence that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease or cardiovascular disease, said Fallon Morell

Further criticism of the USDA plan comes from the authors of a report entitled In the face of contradictory evidence: Report of the Dietary Guidelines of Americans Committee, published in the October, 2010 issue of the journal Nutrition. According to the authors, the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee (DGAC) Report had the opportunity to review and evaluate the emerging science, to distinguish between established principles and ideas that are still areas of research or controversy, and to provide clear, consistent information for Americans. Instead, the 2010 DGAC Report continues to make one-size-fits-all recommendations that are based on evidence that is weak, fragmented and even contradictory in nature.

Citing numerous examples of studies that were excluded from consideration, and studies the DGAC cited that actually contradict the Committees conclusions, the authors of the paper pinpoint the high-carbohydrate guidelines as the most likely cause for the dramatic increase of overweight, obesity and type 2 diabetes in the US over the past three decades. The application of the DGAC recommendations has constituted a population-wide dietary experiment that should be brought to a halt, says Adele H. Hite, MAT, lead author of the Nutrition article.

The colorful Healthy 4 Life booklet contains easy-to-understand explanations of the need for animal protein and saturated fats, along with basic recipes.

Fallon Morell notes that by restricting healthy animal fats in school lunches and diets for pregnant women and growing children, the USDA Guidelines will accelerate the tragic epidemic of learning and behavior disorders. The nutrients found most abundantly in animal fats and organ meatsincluding choline, cholesterol and arachidonic acidare critical for the development of the brain and the function of receptors that modulate thinking and behavior.

The vitamins and fatty acids carried uniquely in saturated animal fats are necessary for normal reproduction. The Weston A. Price Foundation warns that the 2010 Guidelines will increase infertility in this country, already at tragically high rates."
http://www.westonaprice.org/press/2116-nutrition-foundation-releases-dietary-guidelines.html