and here i was just going to write in response to @Dirtmechanic 's comment about respect the knife that "strange woman or strange knife" both are dangerous... and i'd just gone through a thread on a cooking group about using dull knives and some people are going on and on about how dangerous a dull knife can be, but for sure i've found out the really sharp ones are much more dangerous to me. ok, but that's not garden humor other than pondering that i do a lot of weeding with a dull large wooden handled knife.