"GLOBALISATION CHEAPENS EVERYTHING."-- The True Cost of Cheap Food.

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I recently flew over Minnesota, the Dakotas & Montana. In the farming areas, a century and more of change is easy to see from the air.

Roads appear, intersect, and disappear off into the distance. Here and there, farmsteads show up with shiny roofs, machinery and plenty of recent activity. Between these loci of farm work are smudges.

The smudges look a little like the farmsteads except they are smaller and there's no asphalt and no beaten ground from the passage of equipment, no shiny roofs. But, the windbreaks of trees and often a lines of an orchard and convergence of fields tell you these, too, were once farmsteads.

I tried to get an idea of how many smudges there were to how many active farms. It looked to me like there were at least 4 and sometimes as many as 6 or 7.

The people that used to live in these smudges are long gone. The evidence of their existence on the land hasn't been quite rubbed out.

Like some others here, I grew up on a small farm. Dad never quite pulled it off - being a dairyman. He always worked off the farm. I too can remember how the price of bread for our school sandwiches was an issue. We ate potatoes at home. Were we going to take a potato to school for lunch? I can remember how strange it seemed to me when I first saw my mother, working behind the counters of the elementary school cafeteria. She was there so I could afford to go to classes.

Dad's dairy evolved to a less labor intensive cow calf, beef operation. I went to work for other farmers. When I finally left agriculture, during the last few of working years, my income immediately jumped 30%. Absent problems with my health, including hearing-loss partly from operating machinery so many years, my income could have grown steadily over the course of a few short years . . . I think.

Steve
edited to change it to hearing-loss. I suppose I could have just written, deafyness.
 

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Steve, did your Dad miss the dairy cows and milking when he got out?

I will pay whatever dairy products cost w/a smile on my face as long as I don't have to work on a dairy. Same for pork--like working w/them but LOVE not working w/them. :lol:

Side note, friend of mine (retired head of hearing dept at Uni) said 90% of farmers are legally deaf. Standing beside a grinder is same as standing by jet engine for ears.

These positive contributions go unrewarded by the market
Herein lies the problem. People have to pay for what they want. Very fair, good article.
 

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seedcorn said:
Steve, did your Dad miss the dairy cows and milking when he got out? . . .
We missed them but, I guess we weren't alone: "The number of all farms in the United States fell about 69 percent from 1940 to 1997, while the number of farms with milk cows decreased even more, over 97 percent." Economic Research Service, USDA

Dad told me when I was a kid that I had to learn to do chores and that some of them would be the same every day, year-around.
I thought that this was what life held for me :idunno.

Steve
 

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I think all people desire the same things. We would all like to think that the longer we work the more valuable we become and we should be paid accordingly. That will not happen in this profits before people economy. To make a quick profit to look good on the books...you lay people off.

When I retired in 2008, I was making four dollars less an hour than I was making in 1995, doing the same thing. If wages were to match inflation, we would all be doing well. It is a buyers market and we are only fodder for the gristmill. :old
 

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Without a conscious decision by consumers, I don't know what it will take to revive opportunities in agriculture. We are just overwhelmed by the food industry and commodity trading.

Jobs in agriculture has been in non-growth for decades and decades (maybe non-growth is the wrong term :rolleyes:).

Here's what the US Bureau of Labor Statistics says about projected growth between 2008 and 2018:

Employment change

Total, all occupations, +10.5%

Farmers and ranchers, +0.0%

Agricultural workers, -17.4%

Perhaps we won't lose more "farms" but what has become defined as a farm has changed steadily during the last 20-30 years as it has become smart to protect income and property from taxation by defining it as farm-related.

I don't want to look at incomes :/. But, leaving agriculture has long been a wise move financially.

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digitS' said:
Without a conscious decision by consumers, I don't know what it will take to revive opportunities in agriculture. We are just overwhelmed by the food industry and commodity trading.

Jobs in agriculture has been in non-growth for decades and decades (maybe non-growth is the wrong term :rolleyes:).

Here's what the US Bureau of Labor Statistics says about projected growth between 2008 and 2018:

Employment change

Total, all occupations, +10.5%

Farmers and ranchers, +0.0%

Agricultural workers, -17.4%

Perhaps we won't lose more "farms" but what has become defined as a farm has changed steadily during the last 20-30 years as it has become smart to protect income and property from taxation by defining it as farm-related.

I don't want to look at incomes :/. But, leaving agriculture has long been a wise move financially.

Steve's digits
With all due respect digits.this area is my bailiwickbeen do it for over fifteen years. As much as I respect the government, it is the people who run it and not the institution that bend the figures.

From what I understand from my sources, the 10.5% figure that you have presented is not what the experts are finding. They are saying it is more like 16% or higher.

Some people drop off the unemployment rolls and so are not reported. Some have to except jobs that underpay them so that they have to take two poorly paid jobs. They are dropped from the rolls. And so it goes. :hu
 

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%'s don't tell the story.

In Ag, what jobs were done by unpaid family or lower income are now replaced w/machinery. What are left are tech jobs. Ag is becoming a science in place of someone who just happened to be born into a farm family. You now have to have someone to advise who understands, Gov. regs, taxation, equipment, seed, fert, chems, feed, animal husbandry, etc. One person can not be expert on all of these totally. One example is that farmers use to be able to fix their own equipment, now takes a trained (training never ends now w/updates) mechanic w/everchanging tools.

Loved it when a president told how many more jobs were created. Problem is they are McDonald's type jobs. The manufacturing jobs (& other decent paying jobs) are being shipped to slave labor countries.
 

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Ladyhawke1 said:
. . . the 10.5% figure that you have presented . . .
The 10.5% is not an unemployment figure. It is the expected growth in jobs between 2008 and 2018.

The number of farmers is supposed to remain steady.

The number of agricultural workers is expected to decrease by, 17.4%.

Owners of farms often have really, nothing to do with the farming that is taking place there. I know "property-owners" who aren't even sure what crop is growing on their land.

S'
 

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