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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/12/purebred-dogs-health-risks_n_4771566.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/designed-to-suffer-purebred-dogs-are-plagued-with-health-problems
I own dogs, chickens and horses. I am on a horse forum and we talk about HTTP which is a genetic disorder that occurs in horses descended from the QH Stallion, "Impressive." This was caused by deliberate inbreeding, breeding sire to daughter, son to dam, and their descendants to each other. The horses have seizures and die painful deaths. Perhaps bc horses are utilitarian, that is, we choose to own and ride or drive them, that the horse industry suffers from fewer genetic inbred health problems, but this is just one example and they do exists in other breeds as well. Horseman often cross between breeds and many horse breeds accept and register animals that are outcrossed.
The Thoroughbred industry does not do this. TB's have bad backs, poor legs, tissue paper hooves and many are raced into their ground and don't live to see their 10th b'day. Remember the filly, "Ruffian"?
http://www.tbgreats.com/ruffian/
She didn't live to see her 4th b'day. Her leg snapped in a race from poor build and directly related to inbred genetics.
When you have a problem that can be fixed by stopping bad behavior, like smoking, why do you choose to defend the bad behavior?

I have a grandson of Impressive. He is 25 years old, tested negative for HTTP as a colt. Hard to believe that people breed HTTP horses.
 

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Our dogs.....Polly is an Australian Shepherd, her story is that she was found as a 6 month old, wandering around after hurricane Rita struck the Houston area. She was adopted from Pet Smart, it was her last day before being euthanized. She was adopted for an 80 year old lady, who really wanted a lap dog and Polly was just too much dog for her. After 2 years, the lady had her lap dog and I found Polly on a "free dog" poster at a gas station. I saw her picture and knew she was mine.

Parker-adopted by our DD and DSIL for my DH. Our Labrador died just days before Christmas that year and our kids got Parker the day after Christmas from the local SPCA. They were told he was a 6 month old Lab. His curled tail told me that they either lied, were really stupid, or they thought the kids were really stupid. We believe Parker to have been 3 months old and a black Labrador/Great Dane cross. Either way, we love him madly.

Paris-free dog. Her previous owners had no business with her, they left her unsupervised on 3 acres with lots of chickens. They came home from work to find dead chickens and must have punished her terribly. She was an angry dog when we got her. Two years later, I had worked out most of her issues and she has made the greatest chicken guard ever! She is also territorial, aggressive towards other dogs (but she likes Parker) and loves her family. She is still a little weird, but she had a lot to overcome.

Trip-newest addition. A guy with 2 dogs let them have a litter. He went into DH's work with a Great Pyrenees puppy for sale and DH bought him for me. He thought both his dogs were Great Pyrenees, but Trip was missing his double dewclaws which is a hallmark of the GP breed. I questioned him about having a Maremma and he had never heard of them. (dummy back yard breeder) Turns out, Trip's momma is a Maremma and his daddy is a Great Pyrenees. Paris hates him and wants to eat him.

I am not a fan of "rescues" or of the SPCA. I am also not a fan of back yard breeders, but you see how we got the dogs we have.
 

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I have worked at a University Veterinary Pathology Dept. for quite a few years and necropsied hundreds of dogs. I can attest that the mongrels have just as many if not much MORE inherited maladies as any purebred dog breed. Dogs have been with man for about 10,000 years and there have been MANY mutations as evidenced by the various physical and mental characteristics now far from the wolf that they evolved from. There are the fad breeders and there are unknowledgeable breeders however there are MANY knowledgable responsible purebred breeders. I trust these latter breeders much more than the " rescued " mongrels of unknown breeding that are peddled for way more than they are worth called " adoption fees " by the bleeding heart rescue groups that then end up costing the new owner way too many Vet. bills as well as heartbreak for these mongrels.
 

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Curiosity always gets me... UC Davis study

I have nothing against mixed breed dogs, any dog can be a wonderful companion and friend. But when we were considering getting a dog we had small kids and I did daycare. We chose a Golden Retriever knowing that the temperament of that breed of dog would most likely be best for our situation, and it was a breed we admired. A year later we acquired a mixed breed dog. Both dogs were part of our family for 17 years, with no debilitating health issues.

My son bought a rescue from petco, not sure exactly what breeds the dog belongs to, but it was love at first sight.

Education and responsible owners might fix things, but that would be a perfect world.
 

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I have a long waiting list for my puppies. I do no advertising, all sales are refurals from people that have my dogs or veterinarans that have them as clients. If my puppies where not healthy I would be out of business. Because all my sales are locale, my dogs became grooming and boarding clients. Where a breeder might get a photo once a year in a xmas card, I see the dog its whole life.
 

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Lavender2 said,
"And I thought of a law that might work, Law #10 billion) Stupid people should be banned from owning pets. Of course, for that to make sense we would also have to ban stupid people from having kids, but what the heck.."
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Chuckle, chuckle, reminds me of a policy/philosophy that I once read in a Donald Hamilton novel; The protagonist was told, 'you can't kill a person simply because he's a classic, card carrying S.O.B.; it would be too difficult to know where to stop.'
Sam
 

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Curiosity always gets me... UC Davis study

I have nothing against mixed breed dogs, any dog can be a wonderful companion and friend. But when we were considering getting a dog we had small kids and I did daycare. We chose a Golden Retriever knowing that the temperament of that breed of dog would most likely be best for our situation, and it was a breed we admired. A year later we acquired a mixed breed dog. Both dogs were part of our family for 17 years, with no debilitating health issues.

My son bought a rescue from petco, not sure exactly what breeds the dog belongs to, but it was love at first sight.

Education and responsible owners might fix things, but that would be a perfect world.
YUP ! I performed quite a few necropsies on quite a few of the dogs at UCD before the dates in that particular study !
 
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I have a long waiting list for my puppies. I do no advertising, all sales are refurals from people that have my dogs or veterinarans that have them as clients. If my puppies where not healthy I would be out of business. Because all my sales are locale, my dogs became grooming and boarding clients. Where a breeder might get a photo once a year in a xmas card, I see the dog its whole life.
KUDOS to you NYboy for having an ethical purebred dog breeding program !!! Just ask any of the bleeding hearts at the " rescue centers" on the breeding and health of their " rescue dogs or cats " and MOST of the time they are WAY OFF on their answers , while offering NO guarantees. Recent example : a friend " adopted " a dog from one of these "shelters " and was told that the dog was a mix of a Pug x pit bull ... WRONG ... he took it to a Vet. to spay it, and upon examination the Vet. found that it had a heart condition that needed lifetime of expensive medication and care = $$$ $. Then right before the surgery he found tons of worms when the dog pooped. Also, it wasn't of the described breed mix as it had most of the characteristics of a Basenji x ? . Impressive, right ? :hu
 

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