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2015 Little Easy Bean Network - Old Beans Should Never Die !
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journey11
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I will have to do that. I didn't grow as many this year, but was able to increase all that I did.
@VA_LongBean had a long list of interesting grow-outs this year that I would love to see, if he has time to post pics too.
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Since the subject of "pod salvage" has come up, I want you opinion on this
This is the one pod on the "healthy" (now not so healthy) Mottled Grey plant. All the rest of it's pods (as well as the pods on the other plants) have long since wither up empty, but this one feels like it has a few good seeds in it (by my gentle touching, feels like three)
My question is this, in your opinion, how long does it look it will be before a pod like this is ripe or (more accurately) before the pod could be removed from the plant and have a reasonable chance of having seed that was viable.
On the surface, this is almost a moot question. The pot is long since brought inside, so it's not like the coming frost will mean anything. On the other hand the moment this pod is done, I can take down the whole plant (by not it has absolutely NO leaves left) and indeed the whole pot (there ARE two other plants in the pot, but since they are also now leafless, and their pod bits are each about the length of fingernail clipping, I have little to no hope of making THEM become viable seeds.) Doing that would allow two things.
1. I could take the then free pot back outside and use it as one of the ones I sow my winter grain in (after the Sprat barley thing this year, I've come to. Wit realize that ALL of the species wheats I bought from Canada are probably winter sown.
2. While wandering around outside I found a volunteer tomato plant in a pot on the side that is a. still alive and healthy (really compact and bushy, in fact) and 2. actually flowering. I'd LOVE to take it in over the winter and see if I can get tomatoes off it, but to do that I'd need a place to put it . With the bean pot gone, I'd have that space.
This is the one pod on the "healthy" (now not so healthy) Mottled Grey plant. All the rest of it's pods (as well as the pods on the other plants) have long since wither up empty, but this one feels like it has a few good seeds in it (by my gentle touching, feels like three)
My question is this, in your opinion, how long does it look it will be before a pod like this is ripe or (more accurately) before the pod could be removed from the plant and have a reasonable chance of having seed that was viable.
On the surface, this is almost a moot question. The pot is long since brought inside, so it's not like the coming frost will mean anything. On the other hand the moment this pod is done, I can take down the whole plant (by not it has absolutely NO leaves left) and indeed the whole pot (there ARE two other plants in the pot, but since they are also now leafless, and their pod bits are each about the length of fingernail clipping, I have little to no hope of making THEM become viable seeds.) Doing that would allow two things.
1. I could take the then free pot back outside and use it as one of the ones I sow my winter grain in (after the Sprat barley thing this year, I've come to. Wit realize that ALL of the species wheats I bought from Canada are probably winter sown.
2. While wandering around outside I found a volunteer tomato plant in a pot on the side that is a. still alive and healthy (really compact and bushy, in fact) and 2. actually flowering. I'd LOVE to take it in over the winter and see if I can get tomatoes off it, but to do that I'd need a place to put it . With the bean pot gone, I'd have that space.
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@marshallsmyth , I've been meaning to post resulting photos of some of the beans you sent! The Buxton Buckshot did okay. Not great, but plenty of seed to share. I tried some from the mixed envelope you sent me:
I planted this: And got this:
I planted this: And got this:
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I planted the true red cranberry outcross, and got all kinds of cool results:
I sorted them into 6 different types. So now do I plant each type and see if any breed true? Do the results from an outcross have some kind of technical name? This is all new territory to me!
I sorted them into 6 different types. So now do I plant each type and see if any breed true? Do the results from an outcross have some kind of technical name? This is all new territory to me!
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Oooh, nice!
For using them as dry beans, a mix like that would make a very pretty jar-full. You could separate them out and follow them for fun if you wanted. I kinda like them altogether.Your #3 and #4 will probably darken more with age and end up looking like the original seed.
That is so cool that By God came back looking like the original. I hadn't planted mine this year for lack of space, but will look forward to it next year. Looks to be consistently cut-short too.
What is #2 called? Such a distinct change on that one. Was that from the Shoshone outcross mix? Your Cranberry outcross may behave like that too, continually reshuffling.
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#2 Looks like Shoshone. I would recognize it because the bean originates with me in 1979. It seems that Shoshone could have produced the #2 on the left then segregated back into the Shoshone looking seed again on the right.
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I have no name for the numbered beans (and I'm not familiar with Shoshone, which is perhaps what I have). Marshall sent me a mixed up bag of crossed beans to try. They were not very productive, which could have been a climate difference, or it could have been because I put them in a newly tilled piece of ground. I still have many mixed up beans to try next year!
I would love to see some of the 2nd generation cranberry red outcross breed true eventually. I especially like the really swirled color beans at the top of the photo.
I would love to see some of the 2nd generation cranberry red outcross breed true eventually. I especially like the really swirled color beans at the top of the photo.
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Hi @buckabucka,
How about I send you some Shoshone then you will know you have it for sure. Plus you can grow out it out next year and compare it to what you have now. Maybe you don't have Shoshone. I was guessing that you might because I sent Marshall Shoshone, and thought perhaps he sent you an outcross from it that segregated pretty much back into looking like the original.
I would bet the bean grew as a half runner. If your answer is yes then I think that it might at least be related to Shoshone.
You do have quite an assortment of segregations that you got from the ones Marshall sent you. You can plant them all over the next several years and see if any of them will settle down and become stable. Some outcrossed beans do stabilize and some never do.
How about I send you some Shoshone then you will know you have it for sure. Plus you can grow out it out next year and compare it to what you have now. Maybe you don't have Shoshone. I was guessing that you might because I sent Marshall Shoshone, and thought perhaps he sent you an outcross from it that segregated pretty much back into looking like the original.
I would bet the bean grew as a half runner. If your answer is yes then I think that it might at least be related to Shoshone.
You do have quite an assortment of segregations that you got from the ones Marshall sent you. You can plant them all over the next several years and see if any of them will settle down and become stable. Some outcrossed beans do stabilize and some never do.
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