A Seed Saver's Garden

[ducks4you]

OUR US postal service is turning into garbage.
I have never had house service since I moved to this tiny town, 2000. I have always had to go To the Post Office building and use a key to a box that I have to reapply for every year.
You would Think we would get great service.
THIS YEAR post office all over the country have been told to send local letters/parcels into the main city's postal hub, which then get driven back to our town Post Office.
So, If I mall something to my next door neighbor it now travels 90 miles back and forth, and can take a good week to go from the postal slot to the P. O. Box, 5 ft away from the postal slot.
Town snail mails all water bills. All due by the 14th of the month, from 14th-20th 10% addl charge, but still on time.
After that, payment is late. We Can turn off service, April-October for late payment,
When the billing clerk gets the bills out by at least the 4th of the month, some residents may not get their bills until the 12th of the month.
IT.IS.INFURIATRING!!!
What is More infuriating is my board who don't want to discuss emailing our bills.

 

[heirloomgal]

OUR US postal service is turning into garbage.
I have never had house service since I moved to this tiny town, 2000. I have always had to go To the Post Office building and use a key to a box that I have to reapply for every year.
You would Think we would get great service.
THIS YEAR post office all over the country have been told to send local letters/parcels into the main city's postal hub, which then get driven back to our town Post Office.
So, If I mall something to my next door neighbor it now travels 90 miles back and forth, and can take a good week to go from the postal slot to the P. O. Box, 5 ft away from the postal slot.
Town snail mails all water bills. All due by the 14th of the month, from 14th-20th 10% addl charge, but still on time.
After that, payment is late. We Can turn off service, April-October for late payment,
When the billing clerk gets the bills out by at least the 4th of the month, some residents may not get their bills until the 12th of the month.
IT.IS.INFURIATRING!!!
What is More infuriating is my board who don't want to discuss emailing our bills.

We have the same situation here ducks, if I mail something to someone here in the city (and I have because of the seeds) it travels to Toronto and back first. That's over 800 km, about 500 miles. Imagine! And people think jacking up the cost of gas + carbon tax is to reduce fuel usage? And this is not just my town, it's everywhere. Government exists to serve itself, not us.

The last (and probably only) patriot prime minister we had wanted to do away with door to door mail carriers and convert to community boxes with key access. At the time I didn't really want to lose door to door service, heck knows we pay through our nose in taxes we should get something for it. But I can see now why getting rid of this make work project was a good idea, he saw this coming.

 

[Pulsegleaner]

We have the same situation here ducks, if I mail something to someone here in the city (and I have because of the seeds) it travels to Toronto and back first. That's over 800 km, about 500 miles. Imagine! And people think jacking up the cost of gas + carbon tax is to reduce fuel usage? And this is not just my town, it's everywhere. Government exists to serve itself, not us.

I can get worse. My mom said that, for a while when she worked in Manhattan, if they wanted to send something to the building NEXT DOOR, it had to go through Fedex and go to MEMPHIS before it got back to them.

The last (and probably only) patriot prime minister we had wanted to do away with door to door mail carriers and convert to community boxes with key access. At the time I didn't really want to lose door to door service, heck knows we pay through our nose in taxes we should get something for it. But I can see now why getting rid of this make work project was a good idea, he saw this coming.

We've had a similar idea proposed a few time.

The big problem I can see with that is packages. End door delivery, and you would need to go to the PO EVERY time you got a package. And given how understaffed they keep most of those, that would make packages more or less inaccessible to most people (especially when combined with the request to eliminate Saturday delivery and close the PO's on Saturday as well as Sunday.)

Plus, a lot of people think even the neighborhood boxes would not help much to make things more efficient. More than a few just want to make everyone HAVE to rent a PO box (i.e. may people pay for receiving mail as well as send it).

And, of course, I have head the idea of "capacity shipping", where the PO would get the right and ability to hold mail at a given branch until enough had accumulated at that branch to make sending a truck with it on to the next one economically cost effective, so rural areas might only get mail a few time a YEAR.

The issue is that the modern PO is in an odd position, and wants to put itself in a slightly different odd position. They want all the freedoms of a totally private industry (the right to set their own prices*, delivery areas, and delivery times.) while retaining their government office perks (like being unable to be sued, and having a legal monopoly). And, in the case of Mr. DeJoy, he also has some other ideas like turning the PO into some sort of all around service center (like having a PO bank again, and replacing stamps with collectable stickers that would have no franking value. And he also hasn't abandoned the "tax the internet, and give us the money for lost business" idea.

*And to give you some idea of what those prices would be, the Postmaster in the 80's said he thought a dollar would be a "more than fair price" for sending a first class letter. So you can guess what, given inflation, DeJoy would probably suggest.

 

[digitS']

Yes, letter delivery, even bill delivery, has plummeted in the internet age.

Haven't we always had business-to-business couriers and taxis delivering this and that for local businesses, especially in cities? Western Union might show up with a telegram at the door during ages past.

I can remember the first time I saw UPS and FedEx vans delivering on residential streets. Boom. The stories began – the US postal service is losing money every year.

Steve

 

[Pulsegleaner]

Yeah, but most of that SHOULD have disappeared anyway. Unless you NEED a physical copy of what is being sent, email is both quicker (since it's basically instantaneous), cheaper (since it doesn't cost you anything beyond what you are already paying for your internet service) and more environmentally friendly. Even if you feel that a handwritten letter is somehow better for certain circumstances, for most day to day communication, e-mail simply works better.

The real problem is the the Post office didn't pay ATTENTION to e-mail and the online world when it showed up. They thought it would be a minor fad, the same way AT&T originally thought the telephone would be, or the gramophone, or talking movies, or television.....

If the Post office WAS a totally private company, the issue would be easy, they'd either have to get competitive or go out of business. Plenty of European countries have totally privatized their mail systems, and it's working GREAT for them.

But, as it said, the Post Office exists in a sort of twilight state between private and public. It's private run and run for profit, but is still subject to government oversight and some government restrictions, It's the tradeoff for being given the monopoly on most letter type mail (until things like FedEx and UPS showed up, it was a monopoly on ALL mail and shipping,) and the monopoly on government mail (that's why they still have to MAIL you things like your tax forms and such, they're legally obligated to.) And the reason Congress still allows this is the Post Office's promise to deliver ANYWHERE people live in the US, including the large amounts of rural and remote areas where the other services don't operate becuase it would not be cost effective.

And that has left a lot of Postmasters to get arrogant/greedy, and try to find ways to milk the rules to make as much money as possible (which is, of course the goal of any business, but with most of them, no one is OBLIGATED to use them if they feel the price is unfair for the service rendered.)

The post office has to realize that, at this point, it's getting pretty close to covering the EXACT same services as the private courier companies, and if they can do the job better or cheaper, people will use them. The areas where they have legal monopolies are rapidly becoming largely irrelevant.

Particularly now that the number of major competitors they have has gone from two to four (besides UPS and Fedex, I'd now count DHL and Amazon's own fleet.)