bees confiscated in illinois

[seedcorn]

1). No where in article, was round-up or Monsanto brought up.
2). He signed agreement to abide by certain regulations--didn't have to.
3). Interesting that HE was a huge liability to both the bee and fruit industry that some of you potray him as an innocent. Feel the same about Typhoid Mary?
4). Although not part of discussion, baby food contains no GMO products. They pay a premium for farmers to grow non-GMO products. American consumers can do the same. Easy solution.

Early on, it was implied that he had no due process. In fact, he had 4+ months with his property to prove the tests wrong. Once guilty, he had no choice but to honor his word and destroy the disease carriers. Which he refused and tried to hide.

Welcome back to discussion. What facts do I have wrong?

 

[bj taylor]

maybe we're reading different articles. my memory from the article (haven't gone back to it again) is he was doing research specifically to see if some of his bees were in fact resistant to round up (Monsanto's product).

he may have been a liability to the bee-keeping industry (i don't know) - my point remains - when the governmental agency comes to confiscate your property, they are still required by law to respect private property rights. if they are to confiscate - they are to do so with owner's permission OR have a warrant that give them the permission. i am not implying he was denied due process - i'm stating they had no right to trespass. they had not secured a warrant to give them that right. I am not painting him as anything other than a person who had his rights violated. even in a typhoid mary situation, I expect the government to abide by the laws of the land - not carry out bully tactics.

I bring up gmo because in my mind, that is a significant part of Monsanto and bees resistant to roundup was what he was studying.

baby formula does indeed have gmo ingredients. as recent as last month similac was asked to remove or at least label their baby formula as having gmo ingredients - they refused. people have the right to know if the food they are consuming is gmo or not. it should be labeled. i don't see it as an easy solution at all. my example is my daughter. she wants to get pregnant soon. she is suspicious of gmo foods and wants to avoid them and other known hazards in her diet as much as she can. she has a difficult time making an informed decision in her food buying because they are not labeled adequately. i'm sure she is not an isolated case.

 

[journey11]

When you register your apiaries with the state dept. of agriculture, you get access to having an inspector come out and check your hives for free, but you do sign off and agree to follow certain guidelines (which is probably why they could go in and do this while the beek wasn't home.) If this was about foulbrood, destroying the hives is the only appropriate course of action. None of the woodenware can be saved. It all must be burnt to prevent spreading this very contagious disease. Perhaps there were some facts crossed in this story or some assumptions made by an author believing it to be for a different reason?

 

[seedcorn]

maybe we're reading different articles.

I bring up gmo because in my mind, that is a significant part of Monsanto and bees resistant to roundup was what he was studying.

baby formula does indeed have gmo ingredients. as recent as last month similac was asked to remove or at least label their baby formula as having gmo ingredients - they refused. people have the right to know if the food they are consuming is gmo or not. it should be labeled. i don't see it as an easy solution at all. my example is my daughter. she wants to get pregnant soon. she is suspicious of gmo foods and wants to avoid them and other known hazards in her diet as much as she can. she has a difficult time making an informed decision in her food buying because they are not labeled adequately. i'm sure she is not an isolated case.

In article pinned, no mention of Monsanto at all. No mention of him studying bees resistance to anything. If he is spraying his hives w/any chemical, I don't want any of his honey or bees in situation. Why would anyone in the business of selling honey, bee products be spraying their hives with chemicals not labeled for bees?

In terms of labeling, no one is going to label anything. It opens you up to lawsuits. While non-GMO products are being grown here for baby foods, none will be labeled as non-GMO because then anyone can start testing, find a positive test and SUE. In specific the makers of similac, did anyone ask them why they wouldn't label them or was this the food gastapo trying to make them look bad? Don't like what is sold, grow, make your own. Many do, I will support their right to do so.

Again, I have no problem with people hating GMO products but that is not what the article was about or the subject matter of this thread.

Journey, thank you for your clear explanation.

 

[Chickie'sMomaInNH]

The way I was reading the article is that the wooden hives don't need to be fully destroyed, but theit sides burned to be sure any disease was burned off their surface. The other part I found really interesting was that the Dept of Agri came back in JAnuary to collect more samples and observe the bees. I think that would be a bad time of year to pull open a hive since they have settled in for the winter months and it seems that the agent didn't know the difference between a live and dead bees. I know those that are closest to the outside of the hive would be the ones to die from the cold. And I'm no beek!

I have to question if the agri people also test a sampling of dead adult bees to see if they have been contaminated from this foulbrood too. Because the article mentioned that only the young are affected and not adult bees. Seems the bees from this man's hives were ignoring the combs that were affected when he asked the agent about it. I'm assuming that if you were an experienced beek and observed this happening you would remove and destroy these ignored combs as a precaution anyway. Seems the bees know when something is wrong within their hives and take their own precautions and will cap off the affected cells or encase the issue in that chemical they mentioned the bees create.

Eta, sounds like a lot of denial on both groups parts in this situation. The beek for not wanting to destroy a potential hazard, and the dept of agri for hiring novince workers without the proper training/testing of knowledge.

 

[bj taylor]

many people do not have the ability to grow their own. again I reference my daughter who is working 60-80 hrs/wk finishing her PhD. she lives in an apartment with less than a postage stamp of a balcony and no exterior of the complex available for her to grow her own food. she lives 1000 miles away so I can't feed her. she is not unique, but should have the ability to choose her food. we label 'organic' so to say they can't label gmo is a smoke screen. Syngenta Ag (another bio-tech seed and pesticide giant, recently settled out of court in Germany for cows dying as a result of their gmo corn. they also recently settled a class action suit here in the u.s. for $105 million for contaminating the drinking water of some 52 million Americans in more than 2000 water districts w/ their "gender bending" herbicide atrazine.

what if this guy is not a flake, what if he is correct that his hives were able to manage foulbrood by isolating the cause (sealing it up) and that is why his bees stayed away from that one hive. what if, he is right that roundup is indeed more the culprit in hive collapse than foulbrood? what if bees are weakened by the neonicotinoids and herbicides and therefore, unable to control foulbrood as they perhaps have done historically?

Monsanto, Bayer, Syngenta Ag, Dow, and Du Pont now own virtually 100% of the world market for genetically modified pesticides, plants, and seeds. what if we are facing a food crisis that gardeners should be waking up to and educating others on the hazards posed to our food supply (including pollinators)?

you talk about 'food gestapo'... the eu has taken steps to push back against the global threat to pollinators by proposing a new law making it illegal to "grow, trade, or reproduce" any vegetable seeds that have not been "tested, approved, and accepted" by a new eu bureaucracy called the "EU Plant Variety Agency" home gardeners will become casualties in this war between profit makers and governments, becoming criminals for growing, saving, trading their own seeds - That is Food Gestapo. Switzerland, France, Italy, Russia, Slovenia and the Ukraine led the eu toward the recent ban on nio nicotinoids.

when I began this thread, gmo was indeed part of the subject of the thread. it is at the heart of the issue as well as personal rights. this is a lot more than one guy abused by the system or one guy who deserved what happened to him (depending on how you look at it).

 

[seedcorn]

many people do not have the ability to grow their own. again I reference my daughter who is working 60-80 hrs/wk finishing her PhD. she lives in an apartment with less than a postage stamp of a balcony and no exterior of the complex available for her to grow her own food. she lives 1000 miles away so I can't feed her. she is not unique, but should have the ability to choose her food. we label 'organic' so to say they can't label gmo is a smoke screen. Syngenta Ag (another bio-tech seed and pesticide giant, recently settled out of court in Germany for cows dying as a result of their gmo corn. they also recently settled a class action suit here in the u.s. for $105 million for contaminating the drinking water of some 52 million Americans in more than 2000 water districts w/ their "gender bending" herbicide atrazine.

what if this guy is not a flake, what if he is correct that his hives were able to manage foulbrood by isolating the cause (sealing it up) and that is why his bees stayed away from that one hive. what if, he is right that roundup is indeed more the culprit in hive collapse than foulbrood? what if bees are weakened by the neonicotinoids and herbicides and therefore, unable to control foulbrood as they perhaps have done historically?

Monsanto, Bayer, Syngenta Ag, Dow, and Du Pont now own virtually 100% of the world market for genetically modified pesticides, plants, and seeds. what if we are facing a food crisis that gardeners should be waking up to and educating others on the hazards posed to our food supply (including pollinators)?

you talk about 'food gestapo'... the eu has taken steps to push back against the global threat to pollinators by proposing a new law making it illegal to "grow, trade, or reproduce" any vegetable seeds that have not been "tested, approved, and accepted" by a new eu bureaucracy called the "EU Plant Variety Agency" home gardeners will become casualties in this war between profit makers and governments, becoming criminals for growing, saving, trading their own seeds - That is Food Gestapo. Switzerland, France, Italy, Russia, Slovenia and the Ukraine led the eu toward the recent ban on nio nicotinoids.

when I began this thread, gmo was indeed part of the subject of the thread. it is at the heart of the issue as well as personal rights. this is a lot more than one guy abused by the system or one guy who deserved what happened to him (depending on how you look at it).

Interesting views, I will be following Gloeckner case--thank you.
The $105M is for clean-up of city water sources, in what articles I was able to find $6,600 has been paid in Hawaii where they used it in sugar fields at high levels.

No where in attached article is any chemical company sited. It's all about him being unwilling to act responsibly and trying to hide his crime.

Thank you for siting correct GMO/chemical companies.

 

[ducks4you]

I have a very REAL fear of this government favoritism of Monsanto and the poisons that they produce. RoundUp is insidious. It kills indescriminately, and they keep making it even MORE lethal now that it sticks even in a rainstorm. DDT was Monsanto's brainchild, if you have forgotten.
How many posts on garden forums and even a call into MidAmerican Gardener recently about killing the plants you want bc of the drift of RoundUp? NOBODY uses descretion when they buy it off of the shelf and use it. The average suburbanite just wants to be done with their weeding and it appeals to a microwave society.
I am not a looney, NEVER use herbicide. I have been learning to grow my lawn and extra food from the garden without using them bc I am allergic to insecticides and herbicides.
THEREFORE, my new project, which is to deweed around my house beds, which are hemmed in by cement walkways, I am FIRST pulling the weeds that make me break out in a rash (Well covered, of course),and throwing them in the garbage, THEN, sawing down any thistles--they haven't gone to seed and can be put in the burn pile--THEN, pulling all the rest or chopping them as close to the ground as possible, THEN, treat with weed killer, and FINALLY, cover with construction grade plastic bags, cut apart and laid down to kill the rest. I'll leave the bags all summer if I need to bc it's out of control and has rocks so I can't till it or easily dig them out.
I am NOT using RoundUp.
Even though North America had/has other pollinators we really depend upon our bees. How truly sad that this man was breeding queens resistant to RoundUp. I think they were made of gold.
I am disgusted that ANY state or Federal Government is grabbing private property. The owner wasn't "underground" breeding bees. We'll have to have a underground to do this in the future. =/

 

[Jared77]

The rules could be different because they could put other bees at risk in the area IF it was foul brood. Bees are not something you confine like cattle or hogs. So the risk of exposure is there and why the Govt may not have had to a warrant to follow through on his inaction.

In the registration process he may have had to waive some rights because they are a not a confined creature.

However what I find interesting is how they focus on the Round Up issue and did not mention what his legal rights were other than claiming illegal search and seizure. The author failed to provide accurate information regarding the policies and rights that would be waved by registering his hives. If not, then he should point that out as well.

I do take issue with the beekeepers defense of his actions though. Repainting his hives is a suspicious action.

Nowhere does it show that he attempted to defend the findings after receiving the notification that he had to destroy his hives either. He could have at the very least sued to delay the destruction of ___ hive to get a 2nd opinion at the very least. I would have the moment I got that notice in the mail. I'd have raised a holy ____ storm over that if I thought I was being got after. I'm talking heads on sticks at the entrance to the village kind of storm I'd be raising.

Instead he appears to have tried to hide his actions, and only after being caught does he raise the issue.

Honestly I find it another hack article written with the intent of getting people riled up about Monsanto. I'm not defending Monsanto but I think its a very jaded article to begin with and its hard to look at that objectively.

Im not going to argue the merits of Round Up. I know how everybody feels and that's one of those things that fall into the Roe vs Wade and things of that nature.

 

[seedcorn]

Where is Monsanto or round-up even mentioned in the article? Somebody copy and paste as I don't read it.