Concrete and Cold

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As a rancher, I can tell you that setting a wood post in concrete is a recipe for rot.

If you want posts to last, use a naturally rot-resistant wood, such as western red cedar. Properly installed, they will last for decades if treated with wood preservative (such as copper naphthenate). You can either brush it on repeatably or soak them standing up in a 55 gal drum.

Then dig a hole two to three times the diameter of the fence post & 24" to 48" deep (I do 36" here). The posts stand upright best when you bury one-third of the total post length, but you might not be able to dig as deep, so a minimum of 24 inches is acceptable. A portion of the copper naphthenate treated wood should be exposed above ground.

Now fill the hole with about 6 inches of 1/4" gravel, which contains small gravel pieces as well as gravel dust for better compaction. Pack the gravel tight to form a level base with a hand tamper or the blunt end of a digging bar.

Set the post in the hole while holding a level on the side to check for plumb. Fill in the hole around the fence post with more 1/4" gravel packed tight against the sides of the post, tamp down the gravel as you go.

When you are done installing all the posts, you can cut the fence post tops to the desired height with a chain or reciprocating saw, cutting at a slight angle so water runs off the tops instead of pooling up & absorbing into the wood.

Then brush the copper naphthenate wood preservative onto the top of the fence posts where the fresh cut reveals exposed, untreated wood. Apply additional coats after the first coat absorbs into the wood.

I have wood posts that are still solid that I installed 20+ years ago & they will still be here long after I'm dead & gone.
 
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Ah, but the ground is well frozen...

My best hope was that the 6" of ice would go out of it enough to allow easy digging. But, that hole will be plenty cold.

If I'd had the old fence down and covered the ground with straw weeks ago, that would have done it, Cat'!

Something I haven't said is that the plan is for posts every 6'. That alone should really add support and it fits with the design.

Hmmm I just realized that I could start with the fence panels instead of the posts ... just slap them up come spring hmmm.

Hey, a couple of comments while I was typing! @freedhardwoods , you must really know about pole barn construction given the job you do!

Sam, I'd thought about wood preservative ... I may use cedar. I'm not sure what the neighbor would think of me not using concrete. I set it too deep years ago. Front fence - the concrete collar is higher than the soil surface and those posts are fine but this is the "privacy," backyard fence that is to be replaced.

Steve
 
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Ah, but the ground is well frozen...

My best hope was that the 6" of ice would go out of it enough to allow easy digging.....
It can be done in frozen ground, but I didn't say - it's a real pain.

An hour job punching holes with a skid steer powered auger in the summer can take 4 to 6 hours in bad conditions. :barnie
 
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