flowerbug
Garden Master
gardeners like dirty pictures...
Garden humor thread..
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Carol Dee
Garden Master
flowerbug
Garden Master
Carol Dee
Garden Master
Probably notdo you really want an answer to this?
digitS'
Garden Master
Come on, @Carol Dee . Might we be enlightened about why we forget and why we fret about it, at times? Does @flowerbug know?
. If it's just something mechanical then I will probably catch a glimmer then forget what it was ... My suspicion is that what becomes forgotten but leaves a thread of associated memories with no direct connection, involved unrelated emotions.
Maybe an example: you learn how to do something. It is a fix but it is not a task you enjoy. Maybe, the repairs don't even lead to anything pleasurable. It is just considered needed. Months pass, uh oh, you need to do it again. You remember having done it again and again and making mistakes. Still, you can't put all the steps together and in order. You go a little astray every.damn.time!
Steve
. If it's just something mechanical then I will probably catch a glimmer then forget what it was ... My suspicion is that what becomes forgotten but leaves a thread of associated memories with no direct connection, involved unrelated emotions.Maybe an example: you learn how to do something. It is a fix but it is not a task you enjoy. Maybe, the repairs don't even lead to anything pleasurable. It is just considered needed. Months pass, uh oh, you need to do it again. You remember having done it again and again and making mistakes. Still, you can't put all the steps together and in order. You go a little astray every.damn.time!
Steve
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flowerbug
Garden Master
one theory is that memories are stored as distributed associative networks of neurons and that the act of forming memories is what happens when connections are formed and strengthened. when you learn something you repeat it often enough that you "know" it. apart from the actual facts of the "knowing" there is also the same sort of distributed associative network of neurons and connections (which may or many not be the same ones) which index the knowledge. this index may be a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness and it may be less permanent or more easily damaged because it is not as big, as distributed and as strong as the memories themselves.
then think about what consciousness might be and to me i think it is also a learned pattern which is tied into the memories directly or through the indexes, but also to many other things our brains do (hear, taste, smell, see, coordinate, move, ponder, etc.). so when you have this sense of a word being on the tip of your tongue it is the conscious distributed pattern being so strong on top that it can't get through the associative network or the index well enough to get the answer. the key there is to stop trying immediately and go do something else.
numerous times when trying to debug a program and not able to figure it out (or solve some other problem) i've finally given up trying to find the answer and in the old days i was using what was called a remote batch station which we could check out overnight the doors were locked and other people could not get in, but then when you left and that door locked behind you you could also not get back in. the number of times the answer would come to me in the moments after walking out that door were enough that i learned how to take breaks and work on completely different problems or even different homework or subjects. *click* *ah ha!* many hundreds of times over many years.
the other thing that you hear is that people say to sleep on it. that is also a good method. if i have a very hard subject to learn i study it right before going to sleep. the brain works on it all night. 21 days later i'm a genius! only for a while. my memory is attrocious... in order to keep my chops in some topics i have to restudy them regularly. like once in a while i have to relearn how to spell some words. i still have to look up "seperate" way too often <-- yes it really should be spelled "separate"... only one example of many for my scrambled noodles... aka brain...
then think about what consciousness might be and to me i think it is also a learned pattern which is tied into the memories directly or through the indexes, but also to many other things our brains do (hear, taste, smell, see, coordinate, move, ponder, etc.). so when you have this sense of a word being on the tip of your tongue it is the conscious distributed pattern being so strong on top that it can't get through the associative network or the index well enough to get the answer. the key there is to stop trying immediately and go do something else.
numerous times when trying to debug a program and not able to figure it out (or solve some other problem) i've finally given up trying to find the answer and in the old days i was using what was called a remote batch station which we could check out overnight the doors were locked and other people could not get in, but then when you left and that door locked behind you you could also not get back in. the number of times the answer would come to me in the moments after walking out that door were enough that i learned how to take breaks and work on completely different problems or even different homework or subjects. *click* *ah ha!* many hundreds of times over many years.
the other thing that you hear is that people say to sleep on it. that is also a good method. if i have a very hard subject to learn i study it right before going to sleep. the brain works on it all night. 21 days later i'm a genius! only for a while. my memory is attrocious...
in order to keep my chops in some topics i have to restudy them regularly. like once in a while i have to relearn how to spell some words. i still have to look up "seperate" way too often <-- yes it really should be spelled "separate"... only one example of many for my scrambled noodles... aka brain...
Carol Dee
Garden Master
flowerbug
Garden Master
growing up i'm going, "That's not right!"
it got better for a while and then it seemed to leap backwards again.
now, "Still not right!" thank goodness for gardens.
it got better for a while and then it seemed to leap backwards again.
now, "Still not right!" thank goodness for gardens.
Dirtmechanic
Garden Addicted
Poops. Even worms have status in the ever ongoing poop evaluations. I am not sure where a politician may fit in but perhaps hot air for greenhouses works for them.
Zeedman
Garden Master
You don't have to know what used to be in a hole, to know you just fell in one.
