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[valley ranch]

The Governors who shut down the economy in their state should be hung up by their thumbs and big toes ~ during the shut down only of course ```

 

[thejenx]

I haven't read all the many posts ~ what do you guys and gals think ```

If you wanna know what we think, read the other posts.

As for your other post, that kind of thinking happens when you have a pathological liar in office.
Seriously it maddens me greatly to see such a reaction to a serious illness that has killed well over 50.000 people in your country because of inaction and lies from the elected leaders.

Also while i'm at it, fix the voting system, there is no such thing as a popular vote in a democracy.

 

[seedcorn]

@thejenx Here is problem in USA. We have no accurate numbers as all deaths are being attributed to Coronavirus. Our government has not given us any reasons to believe anything out of Washington since the 60’s. Follow the money seems to be most reliable way to decipher the truth. Not sure what anyone could have done to stop this. All our 2 parties are able to do is blame the other party. We have shut the country down and the rate of infections hasn’t slowed down. But our auto industry is on an upward climb as they build ventilators-which will sit unused in hospitals in about 60 days.....

As far as some people being pathological liars, what else is new?

 

[thejenx]

@seedcorn The number of death from Corona is not accurate either as only tested positive cases are counted. The actual number is higher, which also goes for the amount of infected. Our government took steps just in time so our hospitals could cope with addition of extra IC beds.
From what i've seen the USA could have gone in lockdown a lot sooner, or taken social distancing steps sooner. Also the downplaying what the virus was very bizarre to watch from across the pond. We've seen the same thing in the UK, where they were also very late with reacting

After 3 years it still baffles me.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Seed I think it depends some on where you get your news. I try (and often fail) to get mine from different sources, like my local newspaper and two different TV channels. They all have their biases so you have to pay attention, but if they all three agree on something they are probably closer to the truth than if only one mentions it. If it's only one they are telling you how to think, they do ave a bias. I'll read some internet articles but try hard to identify the source. Some are blatantly partisan and some read like the Russians are trying to tear our country apart. But occasionally I get one I consider good, like a recent one on how the supply chain works. The things he mentions make sense and agrees with things I saw back when I was working.

I agree we don't have a good handle on how many people are or have been infected. We do not currently have and have not had enough accurate and reliable tests. There are a lot of unreliable tests out there. When someone says there are plenty of tests out there, well there are. But what they fail to mention is that many are unreliable, To me that is worse than no test at all. Some have been approved as accurate but as you mentioned in another post some tests give a 30% inaccurate result. You wouldn't know that if you listen to a single news source and they don't mention that "some" part.

I'll mention here that I don't know where you get your news. But based on how different people cover the news I can see where different people have different views of things. The difference in the impeachment coverage between Fox and NBC was day and night. If you watched Fox, not guilty. If you watched NBC, guilty. But to make that comparison you have to be able to watch without getting mad.

In my opinion all deaths are not being attributed to the Coronavirus. We don't have adequate reliable testing so there is some guessing involved, and different people can play with numbers, so it's more challenging to get an accurate death count. They have guidelines as to how to attribute deaths, there is some human judgment involved. I think the numbers ere in the ballpark, but it's something like the Spanish Flu. The estimate is that between 500,000 and 675,000 people died in the US with a population of a little over 100,000,000. With today's population that would be well over 1,500,000 deaths.

There are some unique things about the Spanish flu. It did not originate in Spain. They are not 100% sure of course but one theory is that it originated in Kansas and the soldiers of Fort Leavenworth in WWI spread it. The countries actively fighting the war did not report deaths, that would be a propaganda victory for their opponents. It mostly hit the Allies side. They could not "social distance" because that would hinder manufacturing and the war effort. A lot of those things are not in play with the Coronavirus. Those are the types of things that people that study past pandemics look at and try to learn from. The reason it was called the Spanish Flu was that Spain was neutral and not fighting. So they more accurately reported the deaths so people associated it with Spain.

I don't look at the number of deaths as how things are going today. There is a lag time between someone getting infected and dying. Rate of death reports how you were doing a month ago. To me the more accurate data is how many people are in the hospital with coronavirus and how many people are on ventilators. There is still a lag time but these are the critical cases. Until we get enough reliable tests we can't go by number of reported cases.

Looking at this kind of data is why I dispute your claim that the rate of infections hasn't slowed. In areas that locked down and put social distancing in effect fairly early, that data is trending downward. New Orleans was an early hot spot, probably due to Mardi Gras. The mayor clamped down pretty early and the data is moving in the right direction. In areas of the state where the lockdown was not put into place or actually followed the numbers don't look that good. New Orleans meets the Federal guidelines to open back up some. Some other areas of the state do not. The Governor is planning on reducing some requirements statewide, but still with restrictions. It's not going to be a snap your fingers and we're back to full blown wide open. It will take time.

 

[Rhodie Ranch]

I wanted to buy a 50 lb bag of yellow onions yesterday at the Restaurant Supply store. But I can't lift that much and it would take me days to process. So I bought onions at WM for 48 cents per lb and will dehydrate a bunch of them. Also bought clearance yellow and red peppers for 33 cents each and will dehydrate them.

I've dehyd potatoes, but I didn't know at the time that blanching them is a good idea. So I'm trying to grow some. I bought a tub, will drill some holes, and grow some red potatoes. Did you know potatoes are either determinate or indeterminate like tomatoes?

I bought some clearance salmon and cod filets, and vac packed and froze them.

p.s. There was NO RAW meat at the restaurant supply. NONE. When they get their order in today, the cashier said they were going to limit to two per purchase. Even their large slabs of deli meats were in very short supply.
OH, and Costco is requiring masks starting Friday. This has all sorts of locals up in arms about their freedom rights. (rolls her eyes and deeply sighs...)

 

[ninnymary]

Rhodie, I prefer to wear a mask than an IV.

Mary

 

[seedcorn]

@Ridgerunner I’m sure “hot spots” like New York and others are seeing a dramatic rate of infection decrease-that is to be expected. In states like Indiana, where we never hit highs, it’s holding its own even with non essential jobs and travel shut down. No surprise for those of us that have worked in confinement animals. Until all are exposed at some level, it will continue on its merry pathway. I’m not trying to dissuade anyone from their thoughts but as long as there are susceptible hosts, it will find them. It’s how virus’s work.

@thejenx IF our leaders had tried to shut down the country in December (October would have been the earliest) we would have went crazy here. Again, IF you trust history, nothing can be done to stop this. Social distancing will only slow the rate. Will not stop the virus until no more hosts can be found. People don’t like to hear this but it is how viruses work.

 

[seedcorn]

OH, and Costco is requiring masks starting Friday. This has all sorts of locals up in arms about their freedom rights. (rolls her eyes and deeply sighs...)

IF Costco wants to do some good, take temps, don’t allow people with fevers in. Masks are worthless. When you touch the mask, the virus will already be on all exposed skin, clothes, inside your eyes, ears, etc.

What is next, bar code all people that have tested positive to allow in (unaffected enter at own risk) or allow only negative tested people in (test has to be 1 minute or less old)?

 

[Gardening with Rabbits]

IF Costco wants to do some good, take temps, don’t allow people with fevers in. Masks are worthless. When you touch the mask, the virus will already be on all exposed skin, clothes, inside your eyes, ears, etc.

What is next, bar code all people that have tested positive to allow in (unaffected enter at own risk) or allow only negative tested people in (test has to be 1 minute or less old)?

I read shoes were really bad because the virus goes down to the ground.