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Nyboy
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Was posted on facebook don't know of true
Carol Dee
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Food for thought 
Zeedman
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This is one of the reasons I began to grow so much of my own food.
I suspect that the concerns over Monsanto's GM sweet corn are a little late, since they are not the first to market GM sweet corn. Syngenta already sells several varieties. One of those (Remedy, what an appetizing name) is bi-colored... and looks remarkable similar to the ubiquitous bi-colored sweet corn sold EVERYWHERE in my area last year, from supermarkets to farm stands. Since those who grow GM sweet corn stand to benefit by not disclosing that they do so, chances are that we will never know how deeply embedded GM sweet corn already is in our food supply. The fact that I see ag websites downplaying the percentages grown is a red flag to me... its not as if there were publicly-accessible data to verify the truth of those claims.
So if we are unable to determine whether the corn we eat is GM or not, that is apparently the way that Big Ag & our government "watchdogs" want it. That was the same technique used to insert GM field corn into our food supply, while it was still illegal for them to do so (look up Starlink corn). What bothers me the most is that the U.S. government declared that GM vegetables are "substantially equivalent" to their non-GM counterparts, and in need of no special regulation or testing. To which I say... if there is nothing wrong with those products, why are deception & concealment necessary to force us to eat them?
I suspect that the concerns over Monsanto's GM sweet corn are a little late, since they are not the first to market GM sweet corn. Syngenta already sells several varieties. One of those (Remedy, what an appetizing name) is bi-colored... and looks remarkable similar to the ubiquitous bi-colored sweet corn sold EVERYWHERE in my area last year, from supermarkets to farm stands. Since those who grow GM sweet corn stand to benefit by not disclosing that they do so, chances are that we will never know how deeply embedded GM sweet corn already is in our food supply. The fact that I see ag websites downplaying the percentages grown is a red flag to me... its not as if there were publicly-accessible data to verify the truth of those claims.
So if we are unable to determine whether the corn we eat is GM or not, that is apparently the way that Big Ag & our government "watchdogs" want it. That was the same technique used to insert GM field corn into our food supply, while it was still illegal for them to do so (look up Starlink corn). What bothers me the most is that the U.S. government declared that GM vegetables are "substantially equivalent" to their non-GM counterparts, and in need of no special regulation or testing. To which I say... if there is nothing wrong with those products, why are deception & concealment necessary to force us to eat them?
flowerbug
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now M are well on their way to contaminating alfalfa too, after making it expensive and nearly impossible for me to grow sweet corn here along with soybeans now they want to mess up alfalfa.
i've said it before, we have the best government that money can buy...
note that i do not mind at all actual science done to understand things, especially life itself and all the creatures we share this planet with, but when we start engineering and releasing insects, bacteria, fragments of DNA/RNA, viruses, etc. well, we're asking for it. we haven't enough real knowlege yet and there has already been plenty of evidence that no matter what the scientists think about how such things behave in the wild and their effects, more often than not they're utterly wrong.
the book _Slient Spring_ all those years ago had some good examples (but was pretty much wrong about cancer) of how pesticides didn't really do what they needed to do.
as of yet, all the weed killers have been breeding better weeds, pesticides breeding better bugs, fungicides breeding better fungi, anti-biotics breeding better bacteria, etc., etc. and poisoning all of us in various ways.
if you want to see how this is going overall, watch the liver/kidney failure rates but don't be confused by all the extra noise all that sugar has introduced. we're overloaded in the stuff too. oh ho, yes that's GM too, but so heavily refined i'm not nearly as worried about that as GM corn and GM soy (which i eat as little as possible and since i don't keep animals i don't have to deal with finding GMO free foods for them).
my issues with GMO corn and GM soy have to do with the various "technologies" as M calls them, but are bits of DNA inserted in the plant genome. are such things allergens? what does it meant to have such things in the DNA of things we eat? do they cause immune system issues? i can't tell you, M won't for sure...
my other issues with M in particular are the ways they've taken to harrass people who save seeds, how they've influenced and shut down university programs aimed at finding out what the science actually says.
if you think you've seen it bad, now they want to merge with another purveyor of poisons B^y&r... think that will go well? they're going to buy their way into the EU pollute all the crops/land there they can, spread those poisons around even more... and now that glyphosate has problems they'll be happy to add even more resistance to poisons genes to plants (D$$'s already done that too, don't worry, they want to make the big $ too)...
so with the big money behind creating even more poisons you can be sure they'll all be found safe.
except later when you find out the insect populations are declining and people are getting sick... yeah, it's all safe... *snort*
i've said it before, we have the best government that money can buy...
note that i do not mind at all actual science done to understand things, especially life itself and all the creatures we share this planet with, but when we start engineering and releasing insects, bacteria, fragments of DNA/RNA, viruses, etc. well, we're asking for it. we haven't enough real knowlege yet and there has already been plenty of evidence that no matter what the scientists think about how such things behave in the wild and their effects, more often than not they're utterly wrong.
the book _Slient Spring_ all those years ago had some good examples (but was pretty much wrong about cancer) of how pesticides didn't really do what they needed to do.
as of yet, all the weed killers have been breeding better weeds, pesticides breeding better bugs, fungicides breeding better fungi, anti-biotics breeding better bacteria, etc., etc. and poisoning all of us in various ways.
if you want to see how this is going overall, watch the liver/kidney failure rates but don't be confused by all the extra noise all that sugar has introduced. we're overloaded in the stuff too. oh ho, yes that's GM too, but so heavily refined i'm not nearly as worried about that as GM corn and GM soy (which i eat as little as possible and since i don't keep animals i don't have to deal with finding GMO free foods for them).
my issues with GMO corn and GM soy have to do with the various "technologies" as M calls them, but are bits of DNA inserted in the plant genome. are such things allergens? what does it meant to have such things in the DNA of things we eat? do they cause immune system issues? i can't tell you, M won't for sure...
my other issues with M in particular are the ways they've taken to harrass people who save seeds, how they've influenced and shut down university programs aimed at finding out what the science actually says.
if you think you've seen it bad, now they want to merge with another purveyor of poisons B^y&r... think that will go well? they're going to buy their way into the EU pollute all the crops/land there they can, spread those poisons around even more... and now that glyphosate has problems they'll be happy to add even more resistance to poisons genes to plants (D$$'s already done that too, don't worry, they want to make the big $ too)...
so with the big money behind creating even more poisons you can be sure they'll all be found safe.
except later when you find out the insect populations are declining and people are getting sick... yeah, it's all safe... *snort*
seedcorn
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Whoever (posted) that ad are beyond ignorant. My apologies as when Inread it now, it seems I’m calling someone here ignorant. Should have read who ever paid to run 5he ad. My bad.
1). Bt sweet corn has been around for years.
2). That is not how Bt works. No exploding insects.
3). Same Bt that organic growers put on their vegetables.....
See any exploding insects in your garden....
1). Bt sweet corn has been around for years.
2). That is not how Bt works. No exploding insects.
3). Same Bt that organic growers put on their vegetables.....
See any exploding insects in your garden....
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ninnymary
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I actually don't eat that much corn. It has very little nutritional value. Though corn on the cob is delcious with butter!
Mary
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Chickie'sMomaInNH
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if it was just released how did those pregnant women get hold of it already? i think the ad/opinion isn't backed up on it's info. not saying i support most of what M makes, but sometimes we are fed fraudulent/incomplete info just to get a reaction. media has become this way too. no one asks or answers the 5 W's anymore before they post their reactions and opinions.
majorcatfish
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was planning on buy se/SE sweet corn from stokes seeds and kept seeing this " Contains the class ingredient neonicotinoids"
great to control pests but very toxic to bees....
https://citybugs.tamu.edu/factsheets/ipm/what-is-a-neonicotinoid/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonicotinoid
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0173836
now the side effects to humans....
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/ehp515/
decided to pass already have enough toxins going into our bodies don't need another....
great to control pests but very toxic to bees....
https://citybugs.tamu.edu/factsheets/ipm/what-is-a-neonicotinoid/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonicotinoid
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0173836
now the side effects to humans....
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/ehp515/
decided to pass already have enough toxins going into our bodies don't need another....
majorcatfish
Garden Master
Whoever (posted) that ad are beyond ignorant. My apologies as when Inread it now, it seems I’m calling someone here ignorant. Should have read who ever paid to run 5he ad. My bad.
1). Bt sweet corn has been around for years.
2). That is not how Bt works. No exploding insects.
3). Same Bt that organic growers put on their vegetables.....
See any exploding insects in your garden....
the only exploding bugs in my gardens are between my fingers.....
