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Seed search and Monsanto avoidance
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jackb
Garden Master
There are several, just do a search:seedcorn said:
http://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/623640-know-what-you-eating.html
http://www.grantfarms.com/index.cfm/feature/137_288/what-you-should-know-about-gmos.cfm
seedcorn
Garden Master
Read your 2 links. Nothing
Meanwhile in AG we have 20 years of feeding GMO corn and see no side affects. Take 20 years if research or listen to the ramblings of anti-AG? I'll take 20 years if research that proves your claims wrong. If anything in your articles was even vaguely true, we would see all kinds of genetic problems in swine, dairy and poultry industry.
Don't like large AG companies, I get that. Just say truth without making false statements
Meanwhile in AG we have 20 years of feeding GMO corn and see no side affects. Take 20 years if research or listen to the ramblings of anti-AG? I'll take 20 years if research that proves your claims wrong. If anything in your articles was even vaguely true, we would see all kinds of genetic problems in swine, dairy and poultry industry.
Don't like large AG companies, I get that. Just say truth without making false statements
jackb
Garden Master
Talk to Yahoo, they published it yesterday. I guess everyone is lying.................. And the earth is really flat.seedcorn said:
I have a suggestion; do your own research and drink an eight ounce glass three times a day every day for the next six months and then report back and tell us how your made out.
seedcorn
Garden Master
Jack, I do do my own research. We have been feeding GMO beans and corn for over 15+ years. None observed by anyone, not even organic people can report any.
As far as me drinking an 8 oz. glass every day, that would be foolish to drink ANY chemical. Is that how you tested chemicals used by organic? 8 ounces 3X daily?
See commercial. If on the Internet must be true. Yes, I'm a French model.
As far as me drinking an 8 oz. glass every day, that would be foolish to drink ANY chemical. Is that how you tested chemicals used by organic? 8 ounces 3X daily?
See commercial. If on the Internet must be true. Yes, I'm a French model.
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MontyJ
Deeply Rooted
I wasn't going to bring up the glyphosate argument. I use it on weeds, but I don't eat those. It serves its intended purpose. It kills weeds. To just accept that it's safe to consume in/on food is a bit risky in my personal opinion. And 15-20 years of GMO use doesn't prove it's safe.
PCBs were manufactured and widely used for 50 years before they were banned in 1979. Hmmm, who produced 99% of PCBs used in the US? Oh, that's right, Monsanto.
Of course, let's not forget Agent Orange. Along with DOW, Monsanto was the leading producer of that little beauty too. Of course, you do have to give Monsanto credit. They did inform the US govt in 1959 that their 2,4,5 T was contaminated with a toxin (namely a dioxin). So the government can have a piece of that pie as well.
Asbestos was used for hundreds of years before it was discovered to be unsafe. Can't lay that one at Monsanto's feet though. That was a completely different set of greedy corporates. But you get the point.
My problem with Monsanto doesn't lie with any of that though. Their track record proves they are willing to crank out substances without thorough scientific testing. I could probably name a lot of companies that do that. In fact, there are some things you just can't test for if you don't know what to test for. It's just one of those risks associated with progress; just one of those things. I don't hold Monsanto responsible for that.
But when you start screwing with the food genome, that's where I draw the line. Especially when only the very small handful of companies doing the screwing around are producing the majority of the worlds food supply. My problem is What if? What if it takes 50 years to discover the problem. What if by then companies like Monsanto have cornered the seed market and practically eliminated heirloom seeds, leaving only their very profitable hybrids or GMO's or terminator seeds. What if, at that point, the discovery is made? What do we do then?
PCBs were manufactured and widely used for 50 years before they were banned in 1979. Hmmm, who produced 99% of PCBs used in the US? Oh, that's right, Monsanto.
Of course, let's not forget Agent Orange. Along with DOW, Monsanto was the leading producer of that little beauty too. Of course, you do have to give Monsanto credit. They did inform the US govt in 1959 that their 2,4,5 T was contaminated with a toxin (namely a dioxin). So the government can have a piece of that pie as well.
Asbestos was used for hundreds of years before it was discovered to be unsafe. Can't lay that one at Monsanto's feet though. That was a completely different set of greedy corporates. But you get the point.
My problem with Monsanto doesn't lie with any of that though. Their track record proves they are willing to crank out substances without thorough scientific testing. I could probably name a lot of companies that do that. In fact, there are some things you just can't test for if you don't know what to test for. It's just one of those risks associated with progress; just one of those things. I don't hold Monsanto responsible for that.
But when you start screwing with the food genome, that's where I draw the line. Especially when only the very small handful of companies doing the screwing around are producing the majority of the worlds food supply. My problem is What if? What if it takes 50 years to discover the problem. What if by then companies like Monsanto have cornered the seed market and practically eliminated heirloom seeds, leaving only their very profitable hybrids or GMO's or terminator seeds. What if, at that point, the discovery is made? What do we do then?
majorcatfish
Garden Master
everyone here has a good point...
but ever since mankind learned how to make fire, we as an civilization have been changing the way we live on this planet to suit their <our> needs since then.
the manipulation of chemical's organic or petro are in our everyday life more than you know,
from the time you wake up and brush your teeth, till you go brush your teeth before bed.
this is my humble opinion on this...
I plan to live life to the fullest
I plan on eating my veggie's without worrying if I am going to grow a second head growing off my neck
I plan on eating meat free range or feed on gmo grain
I plan on drinking beer made from gmo grains
in a nut shell if your so worried about the way things are going build yourself a geosphere and lock the door behind you..
oh that's right you will have to have a fire to cook.......
note.... even heirloom seed's have changed over time.
now jackb you like growing hydroponically? you are using chemical's to grow them right? well they were somehow produced. just looking at your blog it sure looks like your playing a mad scientist.
Monsanto and hydroponics is a oxymoron in this tread............
but ever since mankind learned how to make fire, we as an civilization have been changing the way we live on this planet to suit their <our> needs since then.
the manipulation of chemical's organic or petro are in our everyday life more than you know,
from the time you wake up and brush your teeth, till you go brush your teeth before bed.
this is my humble opinion on this...
I plan to live life to the fullest
I plan on eating my veggie's without worrying if I am going to grow a second head growing off my neck
I plan on eating meat free range or feed on gmo grain
I plan on drinking beer made from gmo grains
in a nut shell if your so worried about the way things are going build yourself a geosphere and lock the door behind you..
oh that's right you will have to have a fire to cook.......
note.... even heirloom seed's have changed over time.
now jackb you like growing hydroponically? you are using chemical's to grow them right? well they were somehow produced. just looking at your blog it sure looks like your playing a mad scientist.
Monsanto and hydroponics is a oxymoron in this tread............
NwMtGardener
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I always read these discussions with interest, but rarely chime in. I feel like Majorcatfish kinda hit my (current) opinion right on the head, though. I say current opinion because my thoughts on this complex topic definitely have evolved, and will probably continue to evolve.
I feel like i'm not going to make any drastic, major life changes - will continue to eat grocery store food, some organic, some not, as i have always done. Plus grow my garden "mostly" natural & organic, unless i have some major problem or infestation that doesnt seem to respond to an organic approach.
I used to think GMO was a bad idea. I'm still not sure about it. But i'm researching radiation hormesis for a research paper for my x-ray course, and i've really started thinking about the role radiation has had on genetic mutation in all kinds of living organisms ...life evolved with a MUCH MUCH higher level of ionizing radiation, and it surely changed the genetics of many things throughout the history of the planet. So...is that different than GMO? Back in the old days the radiation was from natural sources, of course, but these days it could be either manmade or natural... So whadya think??
I feel like i'm not going to make any drastic, major life changes - will continue to eat grocery store food, some organic, some not, as i have always done. Plus grow my garden "mostly" natural & organic, unless i have some major problem or infestation that doesnt seem to respond to an organic approach.
I used to think GMO was a bad idea. I'm still not sure about it. But i'm researching radiation hormesis for a research paper for my x-ray course, and i've really started thinking about the role radiation has had on genetic mutation in all kinds of living organisms ...life evolved with a MUCH MUCH higher level of ionizing radiation, and it surely changed the genetics of many things throughout the history of the planet. So...is that different than GMO? Back in the old days the radiation was from natural sources, of course, but these days it could be either manmade or natural... So whadya think??
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MontyJ
Deeply Rooted
I'm not worried about growing two heads either. GMO isn't even the root of my worries. I'm concerned about the rate Monsanto is wedging their way into the complete global control of the food market. Will Monsanto soon become "too big to fail"? Will they have so much control over the global food market that they actually gain some sort of political power? Far fetched, yes. Possible? Sure. With Monsantos track record of buying up seed companies, GMO, biotech, etc...they are setting themselves up to do exactly that. I doubt it's intentional, but that is where it's leading. I'm not worried for myself, but I have four daughters and, so far, two granddaughters and two grandsons who may live to see the worst. I think there should be limits on what a company should be able to do/control.
I'm not against glyphosate. Like I said, I use the stuff. It's made by Monsanto. Fine. What I don't like is discovering that they have acquired yet another seed company. GMO foods are troublesome to me, but eradication of heirloom seeds stands head and shoulders above that. At the current time, several Monsanto seed companies still offer heirloom seeds. That's great! But, what happens if Monsanto decides to stop offering those seeds? Will seedsavers be around 50 years from now? Monsanto will be. You can count on that.
I'm not too good at typing on the fly. Maybe I should get Dragon so I can express my concerns more completely.
I'm not against glyphosate. Like I said, I use the stuff. It's made by Monsanto. Fine. What I don't like is discovering that they have acquired yet another seed company. GMO foods are troublesome to me, but eradication of heirloom seeds stands head and shoulders above that. At the current time, several Monsanto seed companies still offer heirloom seeds. That's great! But, what happens if Monsanto decides to stop offering those seeds? Will seedsavers be around 50 years from now? Monsanto will be. You can count on that.
I'm not too good at typing on the fly. Maybe I should get Dragon so I can express my concerns more completely.
majorcatfish
Garden Master
yes it's sad to see seed companies gobbled up and I do agree with you on more control on biotech.
can heirloom and biotech seed companies coincide ...yes
and yes I would like a Dragon as well................
can heirloom and biotech seed companies coincide ...yes
and yes I would like a Dragon as well................
