Seed search and Monsanto avoidance

[seedcorn]

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All these companies being sold out are just sales units. We could start one tomorrow.

The genetic companies are sound. Monsanto gets the headlines due to RR beans and protecting their investment-although Pioneer was the first to set the standard for suing genetic pirating.

 

[MontyJ]

All these companies being sold out are just sales units.

I am going to use your own tactic against you and ask you to provide sources for that comment. You are saying that all the seed companies Monsanto is buying up are just sales outlets and do not grow their own seeds. Do I understand that correctly?

 

[seedcorn]

All these companies being sold out are just sales units.

I am going to use your own tactic against you and ask you to provide sources for that comment. You are saying that all the seed companies Monsanto is buying up are just sales outlets and do not grow their own seeds. Do I understand that correctly?

Not all. Few have some old genetics on shelf, some were breeder companies but most were sales units that are multipliers or just sales units. I'm speaking of Monsanto in entirety not just one part. DuPont similar. Syngenta has purchased more breeder companies than Minsanto has. Growing seed and selling it, can be duplicated as parent stock is easy to obtain. He wise research so expensive and competitive, it is survival of best. If you're not competitive, you are crispy critter. Tough world.

There are threads on this site that show who owns who. Most if them are just different sales units.

 

[897tgigvib]

Some gmo things they haven't yet done...why?

Bright cheery red 2 tone Daffodils
Daffodils that bloom all summer and fall

Chocolate plants that make easy to process perfect chocolate and are suitable for growing in temperate climates

Coffee plants that tolerate frost

Corn with all the proteins and amino acids a person will ever need

Same thing with Peas

Tomatoes that taste like skittles and have all the vitamins a person will ever need
...they can even be formulated for seniors, or active men, or for kids

apples with flouride added for good teeth

medicated cherries for cold medicine

oh boy...

brussels sprouts for finnicky eaters that tastes like red licorice!

may as well shoot for goodies like these things, cuz it'll happen

 

[hoodat]

Read your 2 links. Nothing

Meanwhile in AG we have 20 years of feeding GMO corn and see no side affects. Take 20 years if research or listen to the ramblings of anti-AG? I'll take 20 years if research that proves your claims wrong. If anything in your articles was even vaguely true, we would see all kinds of genetic problems in swine, dairy and poultry industry.

Don't like large AG companies, I get that. Just say truth without making false statements

Infertility linked to GMO corn is exactly what we ARE seeing. Search GMO corn+infertility and you will gets hundreds of hits, many of them funded by governments. Everything from cattle breeders to hog producers and, in India, water buffalo have studies linking the two. You will also see many instances of Monsanto trying to block studies. Here are a few to get you started.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_15720.cfm
http://www.naturalnews.com/036710_GMO_animal_experiments_infertility.html
http://natural-fertility-info.com/gmo-infertility.html

 

[seedcorn]

Read your 2 links. Nothing

Meanwhile in AG we have 20 years of feeding GMO corn and see no side affects. Take 20 years if research or listen to the ramblings of anti-AG? I'll take 20 years if research that proves your claims wrong. If anything in your articles was even vaguely true, we would see all kinds of genetic problems in swine, dairy and poultry industry.

Don't like large AG companies, I get that. Just say truth without making false statements

Infertility linked to GMO corn is exactly what we ARE seeing. Search GMO corn+infertility and you will gets hundreds of hits, many of them funded by governments. Everything from cattle breeders to hog producers and, in India, water buffalo have studies linking the two. You will also see many instances of Monsanto trying to block studies. Here are a few to get you started.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_15720.cfm
http://www.naturalnews.com/036710_GMO_animal_experiments_infertility.html
http://natural-fertility-info.com/gmo-infertility.html

Hood at, read your last link. Second paragraph is not correct as the EU imports GMO corn by the ship loads. They have options to not, but they choose to.

Human male sperm counts being down is your proof? Couple problems, no 2 males have the same count. As a male ages, he produces less count and more deformed. What a discovery that we knew in Ag 50 years ago before chemicals and GMO.

 

[hoodat]

I find it interesting that you attack what some editor wrote about the studies but not the studies themselves, which are all peer reviewed.

 

[seedcorn]

1). Articles are not peer reviewed.
2). Do not disagree that as male ages, sperm count goes down and more abnormals show up.

Do disagree with reason why as both happened before GMO's. like a lot is studies I view, data may be correct but analysis is jaded or wrong.

I don't put any evidence in articles that are written/done by people with a stated agenda to oppose an issue--too biased for me. Also why I don't put any faith in corporate studies. I do put faith in what I (or people I trust) observe for 20+ years. I'm inundated with products/ideas that are great, only to find that they work only in a very narrow environment or just fraudulent.

Side note..I do enjoy open discussion on topics so that I get others views-even if I disagree. I do appreciate it as ideas are stated and not insults. Thank you.

So please answer me a question, since swine in commercial units have been fed GMO corn and beans for 15+ years, why are conception rates, pigs/litter, F.E., at all time record levels? According to most organic articles quoted, that shouldn't be happening. Same could be said for commercial poultry and dairy units.