The Seed Emergency: The Threat to Food and Democracy

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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/06-0

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/201224152439941847.html

Dr. Vandana Shiva is a philosopher, environmental activist and eco feminist. She is the founder/director of Navdanya Research Foundation for Science, Technology, and Ecology. She is author of numerous books including, Soil Not Oil: Environmental Justice in an Age of Climate Crisis; Stolen Harvest: The Hijacking of the Global Food Supply; Earth Democracy: Justice, Sustainability, and Peace; and Staying Alive: Women, Ecology, and Development. Shiva has also served as an adviser to governments in India and abroad as well as NGOs, including the International Forum on Globalization, the Womens Environment and Development Organization and the Third World Network. She has received numerous awards, including 1993 Right Livelihood Award (Alternative Nobel Prize) and the 2010 Sydney Peace Prize.
 

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I bet you ignore extreme weather reports too. :p

May I suggest you see the movie THE ROAD with Viggo Mortensen. It may awaken that in you that which needs to pay attention. To ignore something does not mean that it does not exist and it does not protect you or your family from the realities out there. :cool:
 

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1) India doesn't obey patent laws in anything--see moped industry. Want to stop invention, use that model for business.
2) People can breed/save their own seed, they can't use patented seed in their breeding scheme.
3) 95% of cotton in India is GMO bought by farmers from a GMO supplier, interesting as I didn't know that.

People in industry buy the seed that produces the most with the least cost because the consumer will buy the cheapest he can. The reason that slave labor countries took over our jobs is not because they made better products but because of slave labor, they made it cheaper. Want your product produced in a certain way? No problem, support the industry with your dollars that you purchase goods with.

Really want to do some good for this planet? Start by boycotting all slave labor goods and stop supporting slave labor countries that observe no labor laws, environmental laws and are polluting our water sources and depleting the oceans. Using GMO cotton to produce cheap clothe that drove our farmers/businesses broke pales in comparison to the pollution and human suffering they cause every day. But hey, keep on supporting them.
 

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seedcorn said:
1) India doesn't obey patent laws in anything--see moped industry. Want to stop invention, use that model for business.
2) People can breed/save their own seed, they can't use patented seed in their breeding scheme.
3) 95% of cotton in India is GMO bought by farmers from a GMO supplier, interesting as I didn't know that.

People in industry buy the seed that produces the most with the least cost because the consumer will buy the cheapest he can. The reason that slave labor countries took over our jobs is not because they made better products but because of slave labor, they made it cheaper. Want your product produced in a certain way? No problem, support the industry with your dollars that you purchase goods with.

Really want to do some good for this planet? Start by boycotting all slave labor goods and stop supporting slave labor countries that observe no labor laws, environmental laws and are polluting our water sources and depleting the oceans. Using GMO cotton to produce cheap clothe that drove our farmers/businesses broke pales in comparison to the pollution and human suffering they cause every day. But hey, keep on supporting them.
I think the problem with what Monsanto is doing is that "their own seed" (meaning mine and yours) is being contaminated by GMO's and Monsanto is then making claim to that seed also. A GMO seed will overtake an organic seed.

It makes me wonder what is next. Water and air are sure to be next if Monsanto succeeds
 

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r4eboxer said:
seedcorn said:
1) India doesn't obey patent laws in anything--see moped industry. Want to stop invention, use that model for business.
2) People can breed/save their own seed, they can't use patented seed in their breeding scheme.
3) 95% of cotton in India is GMO bought by farmers from a GMO supplier, interesting as I didn't know that.

People in industry buy the seed that produces the most with the least cost because the consumer will buy the cheapest he can. The reason that slave labor countries took over our jobs is not because they made better products but because of slave labor, they made it cheaper. Want your product produced in a certain way? No problem, support the industry with your dollars that you purchase goods with.

Really want to do some good for this planet? Start by boycotting all slave labor goods and stop supporting slave labor countries that observe no labor laws, environmental laws and are polluting our water sources and depleting the oceans. Using GMO cotton to produce cheap clothe that drove our farmers/businesses broke pales in comparison to the pollution and human suffering they cause every day. But hey, keep on supporting them.
I think the problem with what Monsanto is doing is that "their own seed" (meaning mine and yours) is being contaminated by GMO's and Monsanto is then making claim to that seed also. A GMO seed will overtake an organic seed.

It makes me wonder what is next. Water and air are sure to be next if Monsanto succeeds
Sometimes I wonder if Monsanto would be trying so hard to monopolize if the US government (which is Monsanto) wasn't so horrifically in debt... This money craze may be to help the US... until they get greedy and keep going.... I do fail to see how they would monopolize air, but water is surely next....
 

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seedcorn said:
1) India doesn't obey patent laws in anything--see moped industry. Want to stop invention, use that model for business.
2) People can breed/save their own seed, they can't use patented seed in their breeding scheme.
3) 95% of cotton in India is GMO bought by farmers from a GMO supplier, interesting as I didn't know that.

People in industry buy the seed that produces the most with the least cost because the consumer will buy the cheapest he can. The reason that slave labor countries took over our jobs is not because they made better products but because of slave labor, they made it cheaper. Want your product produced in a certain way? No problem, support the industry with your dollars that you purchase goods with.

Really want to do some good for this planet? Start by boycotting all slave labor goods and stop supporting slave labor countries that observe no labor laws, environmental laws and are polluting our water sources and depleting the oceans. Using GMO cotton to produce cheap clothe that drove our farmers/businesses broke pales in comparison to the pollution and human suffering they cause every day. But hey, keep on supporting them.
My answers are underlined :

1) India doesn't obey patent laws in anythingsee moped industry.

Why would they? Seeds are a natural product and are part of natures bounty and they are not there to sustain a profit for those who want to only service those who can pay for it. And, as for those who are not allowed to save their own seed and cannot pay for seed just let them starve to death and die.

Want to stop invention, use that model for business.

No one wants to stop better breeding and natural plant selections and improvements. I for one do not want someone putting a gene from a fish put into my tomato OHthat has already been done. :p Nor do I want antibiotics given to my children by them eating a genetically modified banana. That scheme has been done too.

People can breed/save their own seed, they can't use patented seed in their breeding scheme.

What you said is very true however, what do you not understand about pollination? Can you or any of the mega corporations stop cross pollinization, and when that happens the mega corporations are then going to sue those farmers for using seed that was pollinated by their or someone else who has invested in GMO seeds. Tell me how do you avoid that?


3) 95% of cotton in India is GMO bought by farmers from a GMO supplier, interesting as I didn't know that.

Yes, and it is a documented fact that farmers there are committing suicide in the hundreds and thousands because of the predatory practices of Monsanto and others that are forcing the use of their seeds on poor farmers. There are thousands and thousands of articles by accredited experts, farmers and organizations on this matter.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/02/india-defies-monsanto-says-no-to-gmo-crops.html

http://www.percyschmeiser.com/Archives.htm A Canadian Farmer and he went to India to speak to the farmers there. Read his story.


People in industry buy the seed that produces the most with the least cost because the consumer will buy the cheapest he can. The reason that slave labor countries took over our jobs is not because they made better products but because of slave labor, they made it cheaper. Want your product produced in a certain way? No problem, support the industry with your dollars that you purchase goods with.

I think the government of India would object to someone calling their people slaves just as the US jobs market here who perpetuates low wages for profits would react to such allegations. However, farmers in India are being forced to purchase expensive GMO seeds and weed killer. You can read that anywhere.

Really want to do some good for this planet? Start by boycotting all slave labor goods and stop supporting slave labor countries that observe no labor laws, environmental laws and are polluting our water sources and depleting the oceans.

Where have you been? :D What do you think the 99% are doing here about that? Hummmm? :p

Since when is a farmer working his own land a slave? Maybe the hours he puts in but that is his choice. On the other hand, he may very well be a slave to Monsantos business practices.

Using GMO cotton to produce cheap clothe that drove our farmers/businesses broke pales in comparison to the pollution and human suffering they cause every day. But hey, keep on supporting them.

I cannot quite figure out this last paragraph. First, our cotton mills and manufacturing of clothes started going overseas in the 80s and 90s and with it our jobs and the income of our farmers. Are you saying that Monsanto pollutes and causes human suffering? If that is what you mean , then you are darn right. We are still discovering how these GMO foods and animal feeds are affecting our gene pool. Once loosened into the world there is no calling it back.

After all is said and done, people here have said they want me to be nice to people. I am nice. I also respect those that tell with genuineness the truth as best they know it. Those who either by their own lack of knowledge, or some prejudice or by some hidden motive.. I think these people are hoping that no one else will bother to check their narrative and to find out for themselves how the world is turning. I say. do your own due diligence. No one else can do that for you and it is your life we are talking about here. Another thing.DO NOT just take MY WORD FOR IT.
All I can say to the rest of you is to keep your own counsel and check any and every thing that anyone ever tells you. After a while the truth of the matter will be self-evident.

People are entitle to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.
 

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Detlor Poultry said:
r4eboxer said:
seedcorn said:
1) India doesn't obey patent laws in anything--see moped industry. Want to stop invention, use that model for business.
2) People can breed/save their own seed, they can't use patented seed in their breeding scheme.
3) 95% of cotton in India is GMO bought by farmers from a GMO supplier, interesting as I didn't know that.

People in industry buy the seed that produces the most with the least cost because the consumer will buy the cheapest he can. The reason that slave labor countries took over our jobs is not because they made better products but because of slave labor, they made it cheaper. Want your product produced in a certain way? No problem, support the industry with your dollars that you purchase goods with.

Really want to do some good for this planet? Start by boycotting all slave labor goods and stop supporting slave labor countries that observe no labor laws, environmental laws and are polluting our water sources and depleting the oceans. Using GMO cotton to produce cheap clothe that drove our farmers/businesses broke pales in comparison to the pollution and human suffering they cause every day. But hey, keep on supporting them.
I think the problem with what Monsanto is doing is that "their own seed" (meaning mine and yours) is being contaminated by GMO's and Monsanto is then making claim to that seed also. A GMO seed will overtake an organic seed.

It makes me wonder what is next. Water and air are sure to be next if Monsanto succeeds
Sometimes I wonder if Monsanto would be trying so hard to monopolize if the US government (which is Monsanto) wasn't so horrifically in debt... This money craze may be to help the US... until they get greedy and keep going.... I do fail to see how they would monopolize air, but water is surely next....
Ahem! Surely you jest? Monsanto ...is....... the US Government. ?????? Pleasssse. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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Ahem! Surely you jest? Monsanto ...is....... the US Government. ?????? Pleasssse. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Well, you must admit, it is kinda suspicious... Guy works for Monsanto, then quits, joins U.S. congress, makes some very important decision in reards to agriculture, etc., then goes back to work for Monsanto... Maybe it was a joke, but it may just be pretty close to truth. Anyways, by patenting seeds and monopolizing, they have generated alot of revenue. Revenue that shouldn't exist because that type of monopoly and genetic pateting shouldn't exist.
 

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A Book.....OMG I may have to read.....

http://www.amazon.com/Debt-First-5-000-Years/dp/1933633867

Book Description
Publication Date: July 12, 2011

Before there was money, there was debt

Every economics textbook says the same thing: Money was invented to replace onerous and complicated barter systemsto relieve ancient people from having to haul their goods to market. The problem with this version of history? Theres not a shred of evidence to support it.

Here anthropologist David Graeber presents a stunning reversal of conventional wisdom. He shows that for more than 5,000 years, since the beginnings of the first agrarian empires, humans have used elaborate credit systems to buy and sell goodsthat is, long before the invention of coins or cash. It is in this era, Graeber argues, that we also first encounter a society divided into debtors and creditors.

Graeber shows that arguments about debt and debt forgiveness have been at the center of political debates from Italy to China, as well as sparking innumerable insurrections. He also brilliantly demonstrates that the language of the ancient works of law and religion (words like guilt, sin, and redemption) derive in large part from ancient debates about debt, and shape even our most basic ideas of right and wrong. We are still fighting these battles today without knowing it.

Debt: The First 5,000 Years is a fascinating chronicle of this little known historyas well as how it has defined human history, and what it means for the credit crisis of the present day and the future of our economy.Show More
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