The Seed Emergency: The Threat to Food and Democracy

[Ladyhawke1]

I had rather be a back water, disease infested, mud hole,

If that were true, you would be there. So you knowingly typed something that is not accurate at all because there is NOTHING stopping you from leaving the good, 'ol USA and move to a 3rd world country where things are so much better. Interesting that you have a computer, electric, internet but you aspire to live in a back water, disease infested mud hole.

I like my roads, public education, police, etc. No I will tell go stronger, I appreciate these people and support them ALL DAY LONG. If I have to pay taxes for this, I do it willingly. For those that don't, don't use any of these services EVER. Of course first time someone steals something, who do you call??? Not ghost busters.

You can harvest seeds from plants you developed, just not what someone else did on private money. Why is that so hard to understand??? Because maybe you want them to do all the high priced research and you want to use it without having to pay for it.

Support the industries that produce the goods the way you want them to.

I think you do no understand what irony is. I have never been irony deficient.

The mechanics of pollination also seems to elude this conversation. Let me try to clarify that and explain just one of the GMO technologies, is called TERMINATOR TECHNOLOGY. Quaint huh? It is also know as Genetic use restriction technology (GURT), another of Monsantos great ideas to hold a monopoly patent on seeds. Explanation as follows:

Pollination is how most of the plant life on this planet reproduces its self. No pollination, there is no plant life, no green world, and no food. I just love it when people say to me, I am not a vegetarian I only eat meat. Well then what does your meat eat?

In Terminator Technology, the second generation of seeds are rendered sterile.

The technology is supposed to be prohibited, but the research is still going on because big companies want to make big profits at any cost.

If by any chance this technology were to escape into our world ( and at this time we just do not know) by pollination or any other means, where the germ of life is shut off after just one growing season, then this technology could eventually shut down all plant life on earth. Do you know how long this technology has been in playfor more that fifteen years. Too late!

You know I am getting rather exhausted having to draw a picture of an elephant over and over again and someone still not seeing it, and it is standing in the very same room with us all. What is most important..profits or people?

 

[seedcorn]

Lady, I wouldn't even bother to respond to your posts if you would stop posting things that are incorrect so that others think they are because they read it on some nameless/faceless internet board.

Interesting when asked to put up or shut up, you then go to it's sarcasm--not irony.

1) Monsanto does not have the terminator gene, that was from another company, get your facts straight.
2) Talk about someone not admitting to truth that goes against their preconceived ideas, look in mirror. I've pointed out several errors in your logic but yet you still hold to the old wrong beliefs.
3) So you have taken it upon yourself to change the universal definition of pollution? How does anyone communicate w/you when you have your own language?
4) Every gene in GMO has and is already out there. What is interesting that the Bt gene has been used by "organic" for decades and by eating it through "organic" food, your body has already incorporated it into you gene history and make-up. That's how it's put into plants, the same theory is used. How little you know.
5) Rant on, don't let truth slow you down.


Detlor, I'm not trying to tell you what industries are good or bad. Just support the ones that you feel are good. I do it all the time.
Mice with a higher rate of cancer is not due to GMO's but due to selective breeding within the mice population. Don't like it, better not say that in front of a cancer survivor, that mouse is the reason they are alive since all testing for cancer treatments use them. For me easy choice, dead person or dead mouse, sorry mouse, YOU ARE DEAD. Flounder/any plant type do not exist and are not legal. Any company found releasing that would be bankrupted immediately, they do use algae genes (that fish incorporated into their gene pool by eating it).
By eating the better grains/foods we produce, our lifespan is about 40 years longer than in 1910. So it is now a healthier world to live in. In AG, NO ONE takes our food chain lightly. Never has, never will. For us it's our life, for you passing hobby.

 

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[Detlor Poultry]

Detlor, I'm not trying to tell you what industries are good or bad. Just support the ones that you feel are good. I do it all the time.
Mice with a higher rate of cancer is not due to GMO's but due to selective breeding within the mice population. Don't like it, better not say that in front of a cancer survivor, that mouse is the reason they are alive since all testing for cancer treatments use them. For me easy choice, dead person or dead mouse, sorry mouse, YOU ARE DEAD. Flounder/any plant type do not exist and are not legal. Any company found releasing that would be bankrupted immediately, they do use algae genes (that fish incorporated into their gene pool by eating it).
By eating the better grains/foods we produce, our lifespan is about 40 years longer than in 1910. So it is now a healthier world to live in. In AG, NO ONE takes our food chain lightly. .

True. If it weren't for those Cancer-magnets, scientist probably would've never found out that cancer could be neutralized by radiation, etc. (and sorry, I thought it was GMO-caused)
And I suppose my comment was alittle exagerative, since people didn't take any precautions against Salmonella or E.coli back then... People must have gotten sick alot back then. But if factory farming had never been invented, the food we get at a supermarket would be far healthier (and tastier), and speakiing of which, I think I'm going to do some research about those melons, the melons that recently had Salmonella found in them (How can you possibly get salmonella in a melon?!?!). There are two possibilities -- either they are GMO, or they were very mis-handled.

Oh, and Ladyhawke1 -- If the terminator gene does 'escape', and end plant life, scientists can easily have it knocked out, subsequently ending the terminator gene. If it's still bothering you, then, save lots of seeds. Lots of them.

 

[Ladyhawke1]

I am not so good at yelling and so I do not yell. I have always found that giving people the best information that I am aware of , and then letting them make up their own minds is always the best course. I also do not like to be yelled at and being bullied into submission.
I know the good folks that run this site do not wish to have any disharmony on these boards and I can understand that. So, anyone who wishes to find out more on these subjects, I would be glad to give you more information.

If you so wish , please then send me a private message and I will steer you to the best scientific data and articles that I am aware of and then maybe together we can discover what is going on and how we can best improve our lives and help fix our world. Thanks.


Monsanto is responsible for Terminator Technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_technology

Time line and history of Terminator Technology.


http://www.historycommons.org/timel...eds_cases_studies-other=seeds_terminatorSeeds

 

[seedcorn]

The technology was developed under a cooperative research and development agreement between the Agricultural Research Service of the United States Department of Agriculture and Delta and Pine Land company in the 1990s

From your own site. Does Monsanto have the technology now, yes. Do other companies have access to the same technology, yes. Does anyone use it, no.

Altho the vegetable industry does use sterile inbreds to produce "seedless" fruits, but that is a different story with the same twist.

Don't like Monsanto, don't do business with them. There are several companies I don't like and I don't do business with and support their competitors. I just don't see the need to go on every website to post how evil those companies are.

Detlor, would love it if you shared where the bacteria poisoning came from. When we last had it, it was from migrant workers using unsanitary methods in the fields. One of the many reasons I don't buy any produce from Mexico.

 

[hoodat]

Actually muskmelon and it's closely related varieties easily becomes contaminted with bacteria such as e coli when still in the field. Unlike watermelon and honeydews, which have an all but waterproof skin the muskmelons have an easily penetrated skin so bacteria can penetrate into the fruit from the soil. Muskmelons don't really develop sweetness till they are almost ready to go bad so a few days delay in picking them can result in contamination. In a home garden contamination can be avoided by placing a thick mat of straw mulch under each fruit so they are nor in direct contact with the soil.

 

[Detlor Poultry]

Ahh, so it wasn't mis-handling or tampering, but probably just the melons' inherent penetrance.

 

[r4eboxer]

Though I am concerned about cancer and don't want the food I eat to contribute more to my risks, I am more concerned about Monsantos affect on the small time farmer. It seems to me just another way to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. It's a monopoly, it's criminal, and they need to be stopped for that reason alone.

 

[seedcorn]

Though I am concerned about cancer and don't want the food I eat to contribute more to my risks, I am more concerned about Monsantos affect on the small time farmer. It seems to me just another way to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. It's a monopoly, it's criminal, and they need to be stopped for that reason alone.

Nice thought but what is killing the small farmer in the midwest is the profit margins per acre won't support a small operation when you factor in land prices (just watched 200+ acres bring $11,000/acre for farm ground), equipment costs (new combine =$500,000+), health insurance rising, land taxes for schools rising, etc. Takes a certain amount of volume that has nothing to do with Ag businesses on the seed side. Actually seed is the best value they make--I am prejudiced tho..............

Monsanto is not even close to a monopoly in the seed business as far as the crop seeds.

I do hear you on food safety, which is why I refuse to participate in slave labor ag.