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Jared77

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I graduated in 1996 from a pretty well to do school district. Our school lunches were very good. Portions left a bit to be desired but otherwise the food was good.

I can count on 1 hand the number of school lunches I bought but I remember buying a LOT of milk from them. I love milk and drank 3-4 cartons a sitting back then. Bring a wrestler didn't hurt either.

Yes what you pointed out is correct about social programs. It's often times very enabling for some people.

The problem tends to be poor decision making though. Hooking up with people and not taking preventive measures. Drugs. Dropping out of school. Bad financial planning like trying to use payday advance loans, things like that.

So social programs step in to cover the gaps and we've seen what can happen there.

What are we doing to break that cycle? Social programs don't stop those things. How do we get people out of that cycle of being born into poverty and then having kids of their own being born into poverty?
 

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How do you expect to break the poverty cycle when there so many bleeding heart groups out there pleading for our dollars to fund their " special " cause . The liberal politicos spouting off to pay " our fair share" . When all of the TV news programs report anything that involves a loss to " please make a donation to so and so into a local bank account set up just for the poor person in their sob story ? We are fast becoming a nation of " from each according to our ability, to each according to one's need " ( communist manifesto) from JUST DO IT attitude of our forefathers. If I can rise from poverty without being given a penny from a charitable or government organization without knowing a word of English when we immigrated to the U.S. LEGALLY , anyone can by going to work at anything that is available, educate yourself new skills to lift yourself out of poverty by your own efforts.
 

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Hmm.....I believe a lot of these problems can be cured by that dreaded four letter word..........

WORK!!
 

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How is a woman with three small kids supposed to work at a minimum wage job when child care cost more than she makes? We need to stop assuming all those people who are getting government assistance are unwilling to work. Jeeze!
 

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I don't know anymore; I'm no longer all that sure that there can BE a solution; at least one that doesn't require descending to levels of such monstrous horror they don't even really bear thinking of (along the lines of summarily eliminating anyone who is deemed to be consuming more that they produce). The pioneer spirit sounds like a great goal to remember but one cannot deny that in some places the playing field has gotten so unlevel that making it has become almost impossible, and that a lot of those who HAVE really made it (i.e. gone past "out of poverty and are now well ensconced in "wealthy as hell", tend to warp that "no help" into Social Darwinism (if you can't rise, you are not worthy of rising and deserve to be destitute" if not out and out Nietzsche level concepts of them being Ubermenchen who, having made it to the top have the right/or even the obligation to make sure no one else ever can. In it's purest form, Communism sounds great, if we could all be counted on to actually truly devote ourselves to the communal good, as opposed to seeing how we can screw the system to our benefit. In an of itself, "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" sounds like a dandy way to run the world, everyone working to help each other rather than try and compete. We'd probably all be a lot better off that way, if we could count on everyone else to play by those rules, as opposed to what always seems to happen, where because of what people are, any attempt at Communism or Socialism has a tendency to simply morph into some form of Nazism (Everyone owes everything to the State, and the State owes nothing to them). I suppose it all boils down to what someone once told me "The reason Communism never works is that it overestimates how good people are. The reason Capitalism never works is that it underestimates how evil people are."
 

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How is a woman with three small kids supposed to work at a minimum wage job when child care cost more than she makes? We need to stop assuming all those people who are getting government assistance are unwilling to work. Jeeze!
1) When he/she can't support them, why have them? Does that seem like love to bring kids into certain poverty? Understand 1 (things happen) but 2 or more?
2) Where is the other half that created them? Child support or stick him/her in jail. Again, why are they creating children with such low lifes?
3) What family/friends are for-to help. Assume, party doesn't want to hear from them.
4) could either parent have thought before 2+ kids about getting an education so all they are qualified for isn't minimum wage jobs?

Sounds bitter but having kids (through no fault of theirs) being placed into this position, is truly _____, and it's getting worse-and accepted.
 
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